Age Pure: team staying together or splitting up?

by MaskedWriter 12/03/16, 09:09 am

What are the rumors out there? Which teams are planning on staying together (now '02s) versus those splitting up ('03s)? Don't know how much ECNL may make some of this discussion moot ...

Here's what I've heard so far - things may have changed.

SRSA -- been playing as '02s so no impact ...
Solar Chelsea --
FCD Premiere -- combining with FCD Elite to make an '02 team and (plus some of LW's older '04s?) an '03 team
Sting Gutierrez --
Sting Hilton --
FCD Elite -- see FCD Premiere above
DT south -- splitting ... drop to '03
FTWFC Black -- becoming '02s
DT Dallas --
Sting Flanagan --
FCD Red --
Andromeda --
Cosmos --
D'Feeters --
Texas Spirit --
Mutiny Black --
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Sparta -- stay together as '02s
Odyssey -- drop/split. Becoming '03s
Sting East Dunstan --
Sting Sanchez --
Mutiny White --
FCD Blue --
Mustangs Busey --
DT Mid-Cities --
Andromeda Blue --
DT FtW --
Triumph -- stay together as '02s
Sting Central --
Solar (Llamas) --
LP Barnes --
Lubbock Cruz Azul --

by 2ddsinsoccer 14/03/16, 01:24 pm

MaskedWriter wrote:What are the rumors out there? Which teams are planning on staying together (now '02s) versus those splitting up ('03s)? Don't know how much ECNL may make some of this discussion moot ...

Here's what I've heard so far - things may have changed.

SRSA -- been playing as '02s so no impact ...
Solar Chelsea -- only has 2 03 players on the team.
FCD Premiere -- combining with FCD Elite to make an '02 team and (plus some of LW's older '04s?) an '03 team
Sting Gutierrez --
Sting Hilton --
FCD Elite -- see FCD Premiere above
DT south -- splitting ... drop to '03
FTWFC Black -- becoming '02s
DT Dallas --
Sting Flanagan --
FCD Red --
Andromeda --
Cosmos --
D'Feeters --
Texas Spirit --
Mutiny Black --
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Sparta -- stay together as '02s
Odyssey -- drop/split. Becoming '03s
Sting East Dunstan --
Sting Sanchez --
Mutiny White --
FCD Blue --
Mustangs Busey --
DT Mid-Cities --
Andromeda Blue --
DT FtW --
Triumph -- stay together as '02s
Sting Central --
Solar (Llamas) --
LP Barnes --
Lubbock Cruz Azul --

by BurnOnYou 15/03/16, 10:33 am

SRSA and from all I've been told, all of Solar is going age pure. So what used to be SRSA is going to split by age with the 02's playing 02 and the 03's being the core to build an 03 team around.
Solar Chelsea appears to be headed for the 02 age group since they are almost entirely 02's already.

by MiddleFinger 15/03/16, 10:55 am

SRSA -- been playing as '02s so no impact ...
Solar Chelsea -- only has 2 03 players on the team.
FCD Premiere -- combining with FCD Elite to make an '02 team and (plus some of LW's older '04s?) an '03 team
Sting Gutierrez --
Sting Hilton --
FCD Elite -- Was announced to team in the Fall that coach LW would be coaching the top '03 and '04 AP FCD teams next year. So in reality team is not moving forward and all Elite players are "free agents" come this Summer. FCD's Player Development Program has been conducting monthly sessions with FCD 01, 02, 03, 04, and 05 players to begin building AP teams for next year.
DT south -- splitting ... drop to '03
FTWFC Black -- becoming '02s
DT Dallas --
Sting Flanagan --
FCD Red --
Andromeda --
Cosmos --
D'Feeters --
Texas Spirit --
Mutiny Black --
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Sparta -- stay together as '02s
Odyssey -- drop/split. Becoming '03s
Sting East Dunstan --
Sting Sanchez --
Mutiny White --
FCD Blue --
Mustangs Busey --
DT Mid-Cities --
Andromeda Blue --
DT FtW --
Triumph -- stay together as '02s
Sting Central --
Solar (Llamas) --
LP Barnes --
Lubbock Cruz Azul --

by TatonkaBurger 15/03/16, 01:43 pm

MiddleFinger wrote:
FCD Elite -- Was announced to team in the Fall that coach LW would be coaching the top '03 and '04 AP FCD teams next year. So in reality team is not moving forward and all Elite players are "free agents" come this Summer. FCD's Player Development Program has been conducting monthly sessions with FCD 01, 02, 03, 04, and 05 players to begin building AP teams for next year.

It is nice to see that there are big clubs out there who appear to have a plan and are actually communicating with coaches and parents. The ones that aren't saying anything are a shameful joke, in my most humble opinion.

by Guest 15/03/16, 02:58 pm

I thought all big clubs have said something. What big club hasn't?

by purplefrog 16/03/16, 10:10 am

TatonkaBurger wrote:
MiddleFinger wrote:
FCD Elite -- Was announced to team in the Fall that coach LW would be coaching the top '03 and '04 AP FCD teams next year. So in reality team is not moving forward and all Elite players are "free agents" come this Summer. FCD's Player Development Program has been conducting monthly sessions with FCD 01, 02, 03, 04, and 05 players to begin building AP teams for next year.

It is nice to see that there are big clubs out there who appear to have a plan and are actually communicating with coaches and parents. The ones that aren't saying anything are a shameful joke, in my most humble opinion.

In my opinion, it shouldn't matter if its a Big Club, Small Club, or Independent. If they have not relayed a clear message to the team as to what their plans are for next season by now, then that is a "shameful joke". Those teams will lose players.

by kadro 16/03/16, 10:32 am

"Odyssey -- drop/split. Becoming '03s"
The current Odyssey 03G will be playing 02.

by Barca 16/03/16, 10:41 am

TatonkaBurger wrote:
MiddleFinger wrote:
FCD Elite -- Was announced to team in the Fall that coach LW would be coaching the top '03 and '04 AP FCD teams next year. So in reality team is not moving forward and all Elite players are "free agents" come this Summer. FCD's Player Development Program has been conducting monthly sessions with FCD 01, 02, 03, 04, and 05 players to begin building AP teams for next year.

It is nice to see that there are big clubs out there who appear to have a plan and are actually communicating with coaches and parents. The ones that aren't saying anything are a shameful joke, in my most humble opinion.

Based on the board feedback, that would be Sting(s), Feet and DT. DTS is an independent entity of its own and marches to its own drumbeat. Nice to see they, along with some others, have a plan.

by Guest 16/03/16, 12:22 pm

Barca wrote:
TatonkaBurger wrote:
MiddleFinger wrote:
FCD Elite -- Was announced to team in the Fall that coach LW would be coaching the top '03 and '04 AP FCD teams next year. So in reality team is not moving forward and all Elite players are "free agents" come this Summer. FCD's Player Development Program has been conducting monthly sessions with FCD 01, 02, 03, 04, and 05 players to begin building AP teams for next year.

It is nice to see that there are big clubs out there who appear to have a plan and are actually communicating with coaches and parents. The ones that aren't saying anything are a shameful joke, in my most humble opinion.
Based on the board feedback, that would be Sting(s), Feet and DT. DTS is an independent entity of its own and marches to its own drumbeat. Nice to see they have a plan.

Can't speak for the entire club, by my DD is at Sting and her coaches communicated a very clear plan to the parents back in October as to how they were going to handle the AP transition with their teams across multiple age groups, spanning '99's-'02's, and have given no indication that they are going to deviate from that plan.

by newbiefornow 16/03/16, 12:40 pm

I think all of those Clubs have a plan. Just not every detail of it for every kid. I doubt it's more complicated than maximize your bye's, maintain as many teams as you can (including ECNL) and start pooling around AP for one or two practices a month (so the same as FCD). Nobody knows for certain what their DA status will be so they may keep something (or someone) in reserve to allow for that. I don't mean to diminish your concern but isn't that as much as any Club can do at the moment?

by RightWingDad 16/03/16, 09:56 pm

bwgophers wrote:

Can't speak for the entire club, by my DD is at Sting and her coaches communicated a very clear plan to the parents back in October as to how they were going to handle the AP transition with their teams across multiple age groups, spanning '99's-'02's, and have given no indication that they are going to deviate from that plan.

Curious, did that plan include what coaches would take what teams in any given age group?

by Guest 17/03/16, 12:04 am

RightWingDad wrote:
bwgophers wrote:

Can't speak for the entire club, by my DD is at Sting and her coaches communicated a very clear plan to the parents back in October as to how they were going to handle the AP transition with their teams across multiple age groups, spanning '99's-'02's, and have given no indication that they are going to deviate from that plan.

Curious, did that plan include what coaches would take what teams in any given age group?

Like I said, I can't speak for the entire club. The same 2 coaches co-coach the top USYSA Sting Dallas team in each age group from '98-'02. They informed those teams back in October that they intended to re-align the rosters to AP this coming summer. They did not say what Sting ECNL, other Sting Dallas teams that they don't coach, or other Sting divisions (Central, North, East, West) would be doing, so I won't comment on that. They also did not say what the '03's would be doing, but I would be shocked if Sting Dallas didn't realign their top '03-'06 teams to AP as well this summer. Just like I'd be shocked if Texans, Texans South, Solar, FCD, and D'Feeters didn't realign their top teams (ECNL and USYSA) to AP across all age groups this summer as well.

by YANKS ON THE PITCH 18/03/16, 09:18 pm

DEATH OF THE INDIES!!!! DEATH OF ECNL!!!! DA AND AP IS THE NEW WORLD ORDER FOR TEXAS SOCCER!

I WANT TO WATCH MY KIDS PLAY A KIDS GAME AND KEEP THE BULLS%^T POLITICS OUT OF THEIR FACES, AND DISCUSSIONS ABOUT BIG CLUB CORRUPTION OUT OF THEIR EARS, AND TALKING ABOUT FUTBOL OUT OF THEIR MOUTHS

CONSPIRACY, I'M F%$%ING DONE! DOUBLE SCOTCH AND CHECK PLEASE

by RightWingDad 19/03/16, 01:33 pm

Yanks, like with all changes in life, some see disaster, others see opportunity. It's all in the outlook and making the most of what ever opportunities come your way.

by MaskedWriter 21/03/16, 05:07 pm

Maybe we should look at this by club instead of team as this appears to be falling into 2 camps: Big Club vs. Indy. Big Club appears to be pooling players while Indy is being forced into an '02 or '03 decision?

A question though ... wouldn't the "N+1" rule limit the amount of player pooling in order to maintain the bye regardless if playing as an '03 or '02 team? As an example, for Sting to maintain their 5+ byes into D1, D2 or D3 then can they really pool without forcing their '03s to play up into the '02 age-pure?

What we know from mid/small/Indy/stand-alone:
Solar Chelsea -- stay together as '02s
DT South -- staying down in 03 division
FTWFC -- stay together as '02s
Andromeda -- ??
Cosmos -- ??
D'Feeters -- ??
Texas Spirit -- ??
Mutiny -- ??
Sparta -- stay together as '02s
Odyssey -- stay together as '02s
Sting East (Dunstan) -- staying down in 03 division. 14/17 on current roster are 03s
Mustangs -- stay together as '02s (splitting into two teams. Both 02s & 03s will have LHGCL bye)
Triumph -- stay together as '02s
Liverpool -- staying down in 03 division. Current 02s on the team moving over to LP Owen 02
Cruz Azul -- ??

by Guest 21/03/16, 06:21 pm

Wouldn't DTS have several options? If they split couldn't the '02s take the 03 bye, the 03s take the 04s bye, the 04s take the 05s bye and the 05s just requalify or whatever is next for them since the will be playing 9v9. Also, what about DTD Scott 03s and 04s?

by SWGSB 52 21/03/16, 07:44 pm

Whatsnext wrote:Wouldn't DTS have several options? If they split couldn't the '02s take the 03 bye, the 03s take the 04s bye, the 04s take the 05s bye and the 05s just requalify or whatever is next for them since the will be playing 9v9. Also, what about DTD Scott 03s and 04s?

Exactly, that's why the large clubs will move to primarily AP in all age groups with most of their DI teams. They will have a bye in each age group so it doesn't matter which direction the bye goes. Parents get hung up on which bye their child will play under.

Now the small clubs are the ones having to make really hard decisions because they don't have byes in all age groups. If they are a top level team in their current group then they can probably stay together and move up. But if they are struggling today then they will want to stay in the lower age group but then you are cutting lose a handful of players that may not have another club team in the older age group. They may have 2 or 3 ages groups that can go one way or another but either the oldest team or younger team will feel they were cheated by the club.

At the end of the day all teams will change, some more than others. Stop worrying about your current FBR, Gotsoccer or Youth Soccer Rankings. By this time next year it will settle out and then you can start bragging about who is the latest greatest team ever that is about to change clubs for ECNL or DA.

by 06Southgirl 21/03/16, 08:06 pm

Whatsnext wrote:Wouldn't DTS have several options? If they split couldn't the '02s take the 03 bye, the 03s take the 04s bye, the 04s take the 05s bye and the 05s just requalify or whatever is next for them since the will be playing 9v9. Also, what about DTD Scott 03s and 04s?

It is my understanding that the 05s will be playing 11v11 next year and only the 06s will be 9v9. Did this change ?

by JE5 21/03/16, 09:56 pm

Maybe we should look at this by club instead of team as this appears to be falling into 2 camps: Big Club vs. Indy. Big Club appears to be pooling players while Indy is being forced into an '02 or '03 decision?

A question though ... wouldn't the "N+1" rule limit the amount of player pooling in order to maintain the bye regardless if playing as an '03 or '02 team? As an example, for Sting to maintain their 5+ byes into D1, D2 or D3 then can they really pool without forcing their '03s to play up into the '02 age-pure?

What we know from mid/small/Indy/stand-alone:
Solar Chelsea -- stay together as '02s
DT South -- Splitting ... LHGCL bye goes with '03s
FTWFC -- stay together as '02s
Andromeda -- ??
Cosmos -- ??
D'Feeters -- ??
Texas Spirit -- ??
Mutiny -- ??
Sparta -- stay together as '02s
Odyssey -- stay together as '02s
Mustangs -- stay together as '02s (splitting into two teams. Both 02s & 03s will have LHGCL bye)
Triumph -- stay together as '02s
Liverpool Barnes -- staying down in 03 division. Current 02s on the team moving over to LP Owen 02
Cruz Azul -- ??

by stingeast02 21/03/16, 10:14 pm

MaskedWriter wrote:What are the rumors out there? Which teams are planning on staying together (now '02s) versus those splitting up ('03s)? Don't know how much ECNL may make some of this discussion moot ...

Here's what I've heard so far - things may have changed.

SRSA -- been playing as '02s so no impact ...
Solar Chelsea --
FCD Premiere -- combining with FCD Elite to make an '02 team and (plus some of LW's older '04s?) an '03 team
Sting Gutierrez --
Sting Hilton --
FCD Elite -- see FCD Premiere above
DT south -- splitting ... drop to '03
FTWFC Black -- becoming '02s
DT Dallas --
Sting Flanagan --
FCD Red --
Andromeda --
Cosmos --
D'Feeters --
Texas Spirit --
Mutiny Black --
---------------------------------------
Sparta -- stay together as '02s
Odyssey -- drop/split. Becoming '03s
Sting East Dunstan --
Sting Sanchez --
Mutiny White --
FCD Blue --
Mustangs Busey --
DT Mid-Cities --
Andromeda Blue --
DT FtW --
Triumph -- stay together as '02s
Sting Central --
Solar (Llamas) --
LP Barnes --
Lubbock Cruz Azul --

Sting East 03 - will remain 03. 14/17 on current roster are 03s.

by lovemykeeper 22/03/16, 09:27 am

So a related question- anyone have insight on what the current 02 teams are doing? Which are moving up to 01 and which are staying in 02?

by Just Curious 22/03/16, 10:35 am

I would suggest asking that question in the 02 forum

by lovemykeeper 22/03/16, 10:52 am

It is done, Curious :-)

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