ECNL swings back at DA

Lefty wrote:

Zizou wrote:Identifying a consistent method of training and identification method of players across our country with our selected top players can only be an improvement over the previous system being used..

Not sure how you ever get a top down model to work in a 'Pay to Play' financial model.  Does anyone else in the world operate that way?

If the powers that be wanted to implement a 'No Cost to the players model', to maximize developmental control like it seems the rest of the world does, then it might work.

Trying to have your cake (Pay to Play) and eat it too (Top Down Developmental Control) seems a bit like 'P...ing into the wind'

Teufel Hunden wrote:
As far as consistent training method, identification of players, I agree that some tweaking is needed...maybe. It is all under the premise to replicate what is in place on the boys side. Since the time of inception (9 years ago?), how many players has the Boys DA produced that play Pro or in the USMNT? I confess, I haven't looked into it...but I bet not many if any at all. FCD seems to be the most successful team in producing its own talent, but that is of recent years. The ECNL by far is more successful in that regard. Some tweaking may be needed, but nonetheless, it is providing the talent for college (original mission of ECNL is a more direct path for college, Pro, USWNT is icing on the cake). PRO and USWNT talent piggy backs on talent produced in ECNL. Again, can ECNL be better?, YES! Is the DA the answer? Just look at the boys side.

Zizou wrote:

Lefty wrote:

Zizou wrote:Identifying a consistent method of training and identification method of players across our country with our selected top players can only be an improvement over the previous system being used..

Not sure how you ever get a top down model to work in a 'Pay to Play' financial model.  Does anyone else in the world operate that way?

If the powers that be wanted to implement a 'No Cost to the players model', to maximize developmental control like it seems the rest of the world does, then it might work.

Trying to have your cake (Pay to Play) and eat it too (Top Down Developmental Control) seems a bit like 'P...ing into the wind'

That would make DA for the girls at least a step in the right direction

Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:FCD can corner the market now will they, is the question.

Lefty wrote:

Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:FCD can corner the market now will they, is the question.

Have they done it on the boys side?

tpitty wrote:

Lefty wrote:

Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:FCD can corner the market now will they, is the question.

Have they done it on the boys side?

Basically, in terms of talent pool.

In terms of Cost at U13 and up:
FCD: Everything is paid
Texans: Dues/Uni/Coaching paid, Travel is on the parents.
Solar: Discounted Dues.

Teufel Hunden wrote:Sources please..."clubs are declining DA because they will be booted out of ECNL"....this would be a huge story nowhere to be found. Now that DA is around the corner, another player shuffling will start to take place sooner than later, this time around diluting the ECNL and further diluting the talent level in LH (which is already pretty bad with the exception of a team or two). It will be very interesting because the ECNL will still be in play through May, or later if your team qualifies for one of the championships or showcase events held in the June timeframe, making tryouts difficult. You may argue that all 4 DA clubs will just take their current ECNL teams and make these DA, but they will always look for players to enhance their current roster. Another point not to forget that the DA is a "composite" age group, so the DA will be siphoning from two ECNL teams (or LH teams, whatever) versus just converting one.

Once again, need sources...soccerwire, topdrawer...nothing indicating that the ECNL is preparing to "boot" clubs from ECNL that have accepted DA spots. I guess we will wait and see once we get closer to summer.  

SoccerTexas wrote:So all 4 new DA members in Dallas are giving up ECNL?  What other clubs other than DFeeters will pick up ECNL in NTX?

Zizou wrote:They will have DA and ECNL teams.

Zizou wrote:They will have DA and ECNL teams.

jogobonito06 wrote:It's not an either/or proposition.  ECNL is demanding some quality baselines be maintained if a club wants to do both. A majority of clubs are unable/unwilling to comply.  There will be a huge shake up. Soon.

And a betting man says there won't be 4 DA programs in Dallas

timmyh wrote:Likely wildly inaccurate prediction based on nothing but speculation for Texas that will make me look very silly in a couple weeks when this all shakes out:

DA: Dash, Lonestar, Texans, FCD, Solar
ECNL: Albion, Challenge, Classics Elite, Sting, D'Feeters

Sting (gambling that ECNL will still be a major draw for elite players for whom the DA isn't quite a great fit) tells ECNL they will drop out of DA and focus on ECNL on the condition that ECNL not allow any other Dallas DA team to field their 2nd team in ECNL.  It's a good deal for ECNL and a good deal for Sting.  ECNL agrees.

timmyh wrote:Likely wildly inaccurate prediction based on nothing but my own speculation for Texas that will make me look very silly in a couple weeks when this all shakes out:

DA: Dash, Lonestar, Texans, FCD, Solar
ECNL: Albion, Challenge, Classics Elite, Sting, D'Feeters

Sting (gambling that ECNL will still be a major draw for elite players for whom the DA isn't quite a great fit and seeing the writing on the wall that the resources behind the DA teams will be hard to compete with long term) tells ECNL they will drop out of DA and only focus on ECNL on the one condition that ECNL not allow any other Dallas DA team to field their 2nd team in ECNL.  It's a good deal for ECNL to keep an elite national name in North Texas and a good deal for Sting.  ECNL agrees.

Unlikely (though this is apparently what happened in Houston with Challenge and Albion), but would be fun to see it all play out in the next couple years.

SoccerTexas wrote:

timmyh wrote:Likely wildly inaccurate prediction based on nothing but my own speculation for Texas that will make me look very silly in a couple weeks when this all shakes out:

DA: Dash, Lonestar, Texans, FCD, Solar
ECNL: Albion, Challenge, Classics Elite, Sting, D'Feeters

Sting (gambling that ECNL will still be a major draw for elite players for whom the DA isn't quite a great fit and seeing the writing on the wall that the resources behind the DA teams will be hard to compete with long term) tells ECNL they will drop out of DA and only focus on ECNL on the one condition that ECNL not allow any other Dallas DA team to field their 2nd team in ECNL.  It's a good deal for ECNL to keep an elite national name in North Texas and a good deal for Sting.  ECNL agrees.

Unlikely (though this is apparently what happened in Houston with Challenge and Albion), but would be fun to see it all play out in the next couple years.

Yes will be an interesting couple of months.  2 Colorado, 2 KS, 1 OK club also in DA "Frontier Conference" at the moment.  You also left off Texas Rush (might have been intentional).  I cant see a city the size of Austin (2M) not having ECNL but LS has pretty much decimated all other clubs.

BigErn wrote:For what it's worth to this discussion, both FCD and Solar will have both Girl's DA and ECNL next year --

This came from Director level personnel at both Clubs.