Which 04 teams did not make?

ph223047 wrote:

soccer chuck wrote:Good to see two coaches working together to make it work.

The coaches at FC Dallas try hard to work together in order to make sure that players are placed on the appropriate team, and are given the opportunity to excel and move within the program.

If you think that is the case, keep smoking the stuff and drinking the Kool-Aid you got, as you are on to some good stuff.

Lefty wrote:

ph223047 wrote:

soccer chuck wrote:Good to see two coaches working together to make it work.

The coaches at FC Dallas try hard to work together in order to make sure that players are placed on the appropriate team, and are given the opportunity to excel and move within the program.

If you think that is the case, keep smoking the stuff and drinking the Kool-Aid you got, as you are on to some good stuff.

Are we in the wrong program?

We assumed all decisions were made in the kids best interest here. The free Kool Aid at the front gate is really good also.   

Interesting list of a few teams NOT playing Tut or the Seeding tournament.

After sorting through those coaching changes at Sting (of course, given the issues with Gutierrez and Diaz)

Where are:

Kicks
Lady Aztecs
Sting North DeLeon

Any of these teams unable to to get to 14 for qualifying so took a pass on Tut?

Kicks 04 and a few others.

NTX Seeding Tournament:

https://events.gotsport.com/events/results.aspx?EventID=39422&Gender=Girls&Age=11

header1 wrote:

Lefty wrote:

ph223047 wrote:

soccer chuck wrote:Good to see two coaches working together to make it work.

The coaches at FC Dallas try hard to work together in order to make sure that players are placed on the appropriate team, and are given the opportunity to excel and move within the program.

If you think that is the case, keep smoking the stuff and drinking the Kool-Aid you got, as you are on to some good stuff.

Are we in the wrong program?

We assumed all decisions were made in the kids best interest here.  The free Kool Aid at the front gate is really good also.    

It's hard to turn down free Kool Aid, just ask everyone at Jonestown....ummm....on second thought.

10sDad wrote:I see Kicks are in the Seeding Showdown, which was locked-down rosters and minimum 14...so looks like they are good to go too.  AND I got a PM that Spirit North was good on their numbers.  So all 3 teams that I heard as being borderline ended up making...good news!  

I was told Kicks had only 12 players playing this past weekend.  I don't see anywhere in the rules you needed a minimum of 14 players to participate.

"3. Each team must have a minimum of 8 eligible players to start a game, 7 players to continue play"

Is this correct?

II. TEAM FORMATION
A. Roster Size: The maximum number of players on a roster in the Under 11 and Under
12 age divisions is sixteen (16). The maximum number of players on a roster in the
Under 13 through Under 15 age divisions is eighteen (18). The maximum number of
players on a roster in the Under 16 through Under 19 age divisions is twenty-two
(22). The minimum number of players necessary for a team to register for LHGCL,
in all age groups, is fourteen (14).

You are referring to LHGCL.. I'm referring to NTX Seeding Tournament. Unless we see a applied teams list for LHGCL, we don't know who is in.

I think you got me on that one....I just went back and looked at the seeding tourney stuff, and it doesn't have a minimum roster size listed - I guess I just assumed....and I saw Kicks with only 12 this weekend as well....are they still at risk? If so, they have less than 4 days until the QT rosters are frozen.

Any word on Lady Aztecs? Heard they are slim in numbers as well..

10sDad wrote:I think you got me on that one....I just went back and looked at the seeding tourney stuff, and it doesn't have a minimum roster size listed - I guess I just assumed....and I saw Kicks with only 12 this weekend as well....are they still at risk?  If so, they have less than 4 days until the QT rosters are frozen.

Kicks 04 is registered for QT and they have 14 on roster.  I heard they had a player injured and a player out of town.  I watch a couple of their games this weekend and they look like they are learning how to play possession soccer. Very impressed with the job Coach Edgar is doing with this group.

10sDad wrote:I heard names like Mustangs, Kicks and Spirit North batted around a couple weeks ago as being borderline...but a lot can change in a couple of hours, let alone a couple weeks.

It makes sense though, as these teams were probably in the same situation as any other single-team club/division.  In multi-team situations, you can always "promote" a kid to the "A" team and make your 14.  That may leave the "B" team a bit short, but you only need 12 for PPL, and the deadline is later.

Just now getting around to reading this. Had I read it last week, I would have jammed you up then. I know you've since issued a couple of "retractive" type posts, but just thought I'd give you a response from someone who does know. Spirit North was never borderline. Who was that you heard that from again? Probably just some wishful thinking from someone who was trying to poach. The only question with us was who would actually be on the roster and how strong that roster would be, which was likely the case with a myriad of teams out there.

I actually have to give the '04's some props here...

In the '01's-'03's, at least 1 or 2 teams that were consensus top 20 teams during U10 Spring league play, ended up imploding/merging after the Spring and didn't make it to QT.

To the best of my knowledge, the only '04 team in the top 25-30 from this Spring that doesn't look like they are going to make it to QT is Dallas Rush/Sting Central DeLeon.

Kudos to the '04 coaches and parents for keeping it together.

KnKsDad wrote:

10sDad wrote:I heard names like Mustangs, Kicks and Spirit North batted around a couple weeks ago as being borderline...but a lot can change in a couple of hours, let alone a couple weeks.

It makes sense though, as these teams were probably in the same situation as any other single-team club/division.  In multi-team situations, you can always "promote" a kid to the "A" team and make your 14.  That may leave the "B" team a bit short, but you only need 12 for PPL, and the deadline is later.

Just now getting around to reading this. Had I read it last week, I would have jammed you up then. I know you've since issued a couple of "retractive" type posts, but just thought I'd give you a response from someone who does know. Spirit North was never borderline. Who was that you heard that from again? Probably just some wishful thinking from someone who was trying to poach. The only question with us was who would actually be on the roster and how strong that roster would be, which was likely the case with a myriad of teams out there.

KnKsDad - it was never my intention to accuse anyone of anything (and especially get jammed up)   . This topic has been on lots of folks minds over the last few weeks, and this thread was not getting much momentum. So...I have acquaintences on lots of teams, and we chat at the fields during tournaments, etc...I really don't consider any of them a "reliable" source by themself, but if I hear the same name from multiple sources, it sticks in my head - and I begin to wonder if there is a shred of truth to that rumor. I heard about plenty of teams that were below FBR #50, but the topic was regarding rumors about top 20 or so. As I stated earlier, those were the 3 names that I heard most frequently from the gossipers regarding top 30 teams. Apparently, the rumors I heard were just that...rumors. Go figure.

bwgophers wrote:I actually have to give the '04's some props here...

In the '01's-'03's, at least 1 or 2 teams that were consensus top 20 teams during U10 Spring league play, ended up imploding/merging after the Spring and didn't make it to QT.

To the best of my knowledge, the only '04 team in the top 25-30 from this Spring that doesn't look like they are going to make it to QT is Dallas Rush/Sting Central DeLeon.

Kudos to the '04 coaches and parents for keeping it together.

Deleon - Karma is a wonderful thing.

PurplePonyPower wrote:

bwgophers wrote:I actually have to give the '04's some props here...

In the '01's-'03's, at least 1 or 2 teams that were consensus top 20 teams during U10 Spring league play, ended up imploding/merging after the Spring and didn't make it to QT.

To the best of my knowledge, the only '04 team in the top 25-30 from this Spring that doesn't look like they are going to make it to QT is Dallas Rush/Sting Central DeLeon.

Kudos to the '04 coaches and parents for keeping it together.

Deleon - Karma is a wonderful thing.

BWG- to clarify the facts, DeLeon's core group, who have been together for sometime now- are actually in the QT, but as a merged team with Cuevas. This occurred at the end of Spring. The team DeLeon has now is not the same as the spring team, is fairly new and has probably elected not to pursue QT or possibly LHGCL this season.

PPP- care to elaborate on the "karma" comment? Must still be holding on to that grudge...grow up.

FieldofDreams wrote:

PurplePonyPower wrote:

bwgophers wrote:I actually have to give the '04's some props here...

In the '01's-'03's, at least 1 or 2 teams that were consensus top 20 teams during U10 Spring league play, ended up imploding/merging after the Spring and didn't make it to QT.

To the best of my knowledge, the only '04 team in the top 25-30 from this Spring that doesn't look like they are going to make it to QT is Dallas Rush/Sting Central DeLeon.

Kudos to the '04 coaches and parents for keeping it together.

Deleon - Karma is a wonderful thing.

BWG- to clarify the facts, DeLeon's core group, who have been together for sometime now- are actually in the QT, but as a merged team with Cuevas. This occurred at the end of Spring. The team DeLeon has now is not the same as the spring team, is fairly new and has probably elected not to pursue QT or possibly LHGCL this season.

PPP- care to elaborate on the "karma" comment? Must still be holding on to that grudge...grow up.

No dig was intended at the DeLeon team. The point was simply that they were a "standalone" team during the Spring that was consistently in the top 25, and now that team does not exist heading into QT.

My point was that in the '01's-'03's, there were at least 1-2 "mergers" and/or "implosions" of top 10-20 teams between Spring season end and QT in each of those years. While for the most part, the '04's kept it together until you got down closer to 25.

bwgophers wrote:

FieldofDreams wrote:

PurplePonyPower wrote:

bwgophers wrote:I actually have to give the '04's some props here...

In the '01's-'03's, at least 1 or 2 teams that were consensus top 20 teams during U10 Spring league play, ended up imploding/merging after the Spring and didn't make it to QT.

To the best of my knowledge, the only '04 team in the top 25-30 from this Spring that doesn't look like they are going to make it to QT is Dallas Rush/Sting Central DeLeon.

Kudos to the '04 coaches and parents for keeping it together.

Deleon - Karma is a wonderful thing.

BWG- to clarify the facts, DeLeon's core group, who have been together for sometime now- are actually in the QT, but as a merged team with Cuevas. This occurred at the end of Spring. The team DeLeon has now is not the same as the spring team, is fairly new and has probably elected not to pursue QT or possibly LHGCL this season.

PPP- care to elaborate on the "karma" comment? Must still be holding on to that grudge...grow up.

No dig was intended at the DeLeon team.  The point was simply that they were a "standalone" team during the Spring that was consistently in the top 25, and now that team does not exist heading into QT.  

My point was that in the '01's-'03's, there were at least 1-2 "mergers" and/or "implosions" of top 10-20 teams between Spring season end and QT in each of those years.  While for the most part, the '04's kept it together until you got down closer to 25.

BWG, all good, didn't take it as a dig. Just wanted to clarify. Others, though, feel the need to continue putting coaches down for past issues, ie, lack of paperwork in a tournament, registration errors or the fact that their DD, or friend's DD, did not make the cut (as a result of themselves, not the playing ability of the DD). I guess it is what it is...

FieldofDreams wrote:

bwgophers wrote:

FieldofDreams wrote:

PurplePonyPower wrote:

bwgophers wrote:I actually have to give the '04's some props here...

In the '01's-'03's, at least 1 or 2 teams that were consensus top 20 teams during U10 Spring league play, ended up imploding/merging after the Spring and didn't make it to QT.

To the best of my knowledge, the only '04 team in the top 25-30 from this Spring that doesn't look like they are going to make it to QT is Dallas Rush/Sting Central DeLeon.

Kudos to the '04 coaches and parents for keeping it together.

Deleon - Karma is a wonderful thing.

BWG- to clarify the facts, DeLeon's core group, who have been together for sometime now- are actually in the QT, but as a merged team with Cuevas. This occurred at the end of Spring. The team DeLeon has now is not the same as the spring team, is fairly new and has probably elected not to pursue QT or possibly LHGCL this season.

PPP- care to elaborate on the "karma" comment? Must still be holding on to that grudge...grow up.

No dig was intended at the DeLeon team.  The point was simply that they were a "standalone" team during the Spring that was consistently in the top 25, and now that team does not exist heading into QT.  

My point was that in the '01's-'03's, there were at least 1-2 "mergers" and/or "implosions" of top 10-20 teams between Spring season end and QT in each of those years.  While for the most part, the '04's kept it together until you got down closer to 25.

BWG, all good, didn't take it as a dig. Just wanted to clarify. Others, though, feel the need to continue putting coaches down for past issues, ie, lack of paperwork in a tournament, registration errors or the fact that their DD, or friend's DD, did not make the cut (as a result of themselves, not the playing ability of the DD). I guess it is what it is...

Soo triple p..I think what's being said here is you might be the problem...pay no mind to this silliness. Lets get together and discuss why these coaches don't see the light. I like ponies and my favorite color is purple. I'm in stable b. lets show the jacka$$s how to run a team. Then we can talk about karma...if you know what I mean.

10sDad wrote:

KnKsDad wrote:

10sDad wrote:I heard names like Mustangs, Kicks and Spirit North batted around a couple weeks ago as being borderline...but a lot can change in a couple of hours, let alone a couple weeks.

It makes sense though, as these teams were probably in the same situation as any other single-team club/division.  In multi-team situations, you can always "promote" a kid to the "A" team and make your 14.  That may leave the "B" team a bit short, but you only need 12 for PPL, and the deadline is later.

Just now getting around to reading this. Had I read it last week, I would have jammed you up then. I know you've since issued a couple of "retractive" type posts, but just thought I'd give you a response from someone who does know. Spirit North was never borderline. Who was that you heard that from again? Probably just some wishful thinking from someone who was trying to poach. The only question with us was who would actually be on the roster and how strong that roster would be, which was likely the case with a myriad of teams out there.

KnKsDad - it was never my intention to accuse anyone of anything (and especially get jammed up)   .  This topic has been on lots of folks minds over the last few weeks, and this thread was not getting much momentum.  So...I have acquaintences on lots of teams, and we chat at the fields during tournaments, etc...I really don't consider any of them a "reliable" source by themself, but if I hear the same name from multiple sources, it sticks in my head - and I begin to wonder if there is a shred of truth to that rumor.  I heard about plenty of teams that were below FBR #50, but the topic was regarding rumors about top 20 or so.  As I stated earlier, those were the 3 names that I heard most frequently from the gossipers regarding top 30 teams.  Apparently, the rumors I heard were just that...rumors.  Go figure.

My fault dude. Looking back, I overeacted a bit in my response. I was a little too sensitive, which was heightened by it being late in the evening and a few straw-ber-rita's. Good thing it wasn't a couple of martinis..

bwgophers wrote:I actually have to give the '04's some props here...

In the '01's-'03's, at least 1 or 2 teams that were consensus top 20 teams during U10 Spring league play, ended up imploding/merging after the Spring and didn't make it to QT.

To the best of my knowledge, the only '04 team in the top 25-30 from this Spring that doesn't look like they are going to make it to QT is Dallas Rush/Sting Central DeLeon.

Kudos to the '04 coaches and parents for keeping it together.

Conversely, is there any previous precedent on the number of new teams forming during that same basic period like we have had - ie, FCD Central (I know they had some starting pieces), Stark, Wolfanneck coupled with the effects that may have had such as dilution of talent, etc.?

All those borrowed players, a non existent roster, coming back to bite you on the a**!

PurplePonyPower wrote:All those borrowed players, a non existent roster, coming back to bite you on the a**!

yeahhh...talk dirty to me triple p..that's what I'm talking about. Hee hawww! Bite that a$$

KnKsDad wrote:

bwgophers wrote:I actually have to give the '04's some props here...

In the '01's-'03's, at least 1 or 2 teams that were consensus top 20 teams during U10 Spring league play, ended up imploding/merging after the Spring and didn't make it to QT.

To the best of my knowledge, the only '04 team in the top 25-30 from this Spring that doesn't look like they are going to make it to QT is Dallas Rush/Sting Central DeLeon.

Kudos to the '04 coaches and parents for keeping it together.

Conversely, is there any previous precedent on the number of new teams forming during that same basic period like we have had - ie, FCD Central (I know they had some starting pieces), Stark, Wolfanneck coupled with the effects that may have had such as dilution of talent, etc.?

Personally, I wouldn't count Wolfaneck as a "new" team. That team's core was in place for a long time as LP Barnes under TA, and pretty much moved intact to Solar. From what I understand, Pulp only brought about 5 or so of his recruits on board to fill out the roster. My guess is that if Pulp hadn't brought along his small group, TA would still have been able to recruit the final #'s that his team needed to make.

FCD Central is a "new" team, but started out with a reasonable sized core that followed Goodman/Tallal from Sting to FCD. However, I will say that in the past, when similar break-ups have happened, usually one of the groups ends up splintering apart after the divorce, and that didn't happen here, so that is a bit different. However, based on FCD Central's results, they aren't exactly a shoo-in for making LHGCL at this point, so we need to wait and see on that.

The only truly "new" team that I see is Johnny Soccer's DT Red squad. As I understand it, that team was truly built from scratch this spring in onesie-twosie kind of fashion, and their results from late Spring suggest that they are well poised to at least make D3. If that happens, that would be a pretty unique event from my perspective. There have been teams in the past that have kind of "popped up out of nowhere" in late spring and ended up qualifying for LHGCL (Sting Gutierrez in the '01's, Andromeda in the '02's), but those teams started with a core group of 7-8 players that came from a different club/team, similar to the FCD Central case this year.

So, I would say that the DT Red situation is unique for the '04's, but otherwise, it's not unusual for 1 or 2 new teams show up late on the scene, having started from a core group of players from a different team that was on the radar leading up to select.

I am familiar with the history of all three. My bad for referring to the sort of new teams as being new. I appreciate your historical perspective on it, especially with respect to DT Red (Stark).

ph223047 wrote:Just wondering which 04 teams did not make?

LP Hunt is no more
Fever Red and Fever Black, Where are they????? Did they make at least 1 team?
LP Beardsley is no more
Gunners are they still around????
Wichita Falls SA, will they just show up for QT?
Sting Delon is no more, combined with Sting Cuevas
Aztecs- been know to just show up for QT in past. do they have the min 14 to play???