Re: JDL 06 Standing 02-19-2017

by Foxysoccermom 21/02/17, 11:22 pm

Ohh my goodness Kellyanne,

Let's see...04 dallas rush, 05 kicks, 06 multiple non jdl teams...then jump to ecnl age, 03 lp elite. Keep drinking the kook aid.

by Big Ern 21/02/17, 11:41 pm

Foxysoccermom wrote:Ohh my goodness Kellyanne,

Let's see...04 dallas rush, 05 kicks, 06 multiple non jdl teams...then jump to ecnl age, 03 lp elite. Keep drinking the kook aid.

Ahhh Foxydad ...

Again with the Kook Aid -- adorable. And there ya go again supporting my underlying point ...

I must admit I did slip on the 04 Voutier ladies in not mentioning them as they belong in the top five or so 04 discussion, but they'll sadly soon be with the big 4 too Sad

Right there along with the LP Elite 03 ladies (which you and I both know don't even belong in this post considering the topic).

And what 06 teams again? Seems all the top squads are listed at the top of this thread and ya couldn't list any (not that I would know any better).

You continue to seem to have me confused with a soccer dad like yourself that doesn't know any better --

by Disposessed 22/02/17, 12:44 am

I have hopes that some day my daughter will rise above the grind and cross over the rainbow bridge to a elite land of unicorns, puffy clouds, and playing soccer for fun while claiming to be the best. A land where the big 4 only want what is best for the girls...how sweet.

by KeeperCommander 22/02/17, 06:03 am

BigErn wrote:
SickofSilliness wrote:
BigErn wrote:It's really difficult to believe that the JDL haters are still so short sighted to take the name of the league so literally ... the same "development" joke is old and tired after 6 months.

In addition to the points made above by DDad, the most prominent benefit, and the real reason the league came about in the first place, is that most of the top teams in the area get more consistent high level competition. This alone is good for development of skill + mental toughness.

As much as you keep trying to convince everyone that is the case (and not primarily as a recruiting tool for the ECNL clubs) it has been established that if the REAL reason is more consistent competition, then that goal would have been achieved by being more INCLUSIVE and less EXCLUSIVE. Every age group CLEARLY had better teams excluded from JDL prior to the beginning of the season - a decision affirmatively made by the clubs.

The decision to exclude 05 Kicks runs completely counter to your stated "real" reason the league came about in the first place.

Just Don't Laugh

When it comes to JDL hating, we can always count on you SoS ... deja vu --

This league was built as a stepping stone to the ECNL for ECNL clubs ... purty simple stuff. Being intelligent and forward thinking, the heads of these clubs know that the majority of the top talent either currently play at these clubs or will eventually play at these clubs. If JM had been able to get over his pride and had held up his end of the deal they would have been in JDL and had the ECNL track for their players as well. As it is, come June, DFeet are likely gonna be looking into hospice care, and due to DA, you can count on Kicks players to start trickling away over the next couple of years.

Other than the one Kicks team in 05, are there really any other top teams not currently competing in JDL? I can't come up with any at 04 and I'm no 06 expert but it looks like all of the top teams are there.

I happen to believe that JDL was created as a step to DA not ECNL. As you state DA will start to take the better players over the next couple years. DA will def do that next year to the ECNL. Look at the underlying issue though. ECNL is top league (for now) and they have all the top players with the exception of a few. Some do not play because of the travel and definitely because of the expense. All DA did was take the same basic players and take away most of the expense for the player. Either way you are correct. It will atttract more players to try and make those squads if it will advance them towards their dreams. I am sure my DD will want to do it but that would mean drinking from the same pitcher of wacky juice that most seem to stay away from. Learn the secret handshake and join another secret forum.

by Foxysoccermom 22/02/17, 07:14 am

Kellyanne,

Look at the facts on this thread alone. GD of the top few compared to the bottom few teams is flipped. Better competition? Doubtful, same scenario as before only fewer good teams to play. Then you create b teams in this scenario and it gets worse. 8-1, 9-0 etc....in a smaller league. Open your eyes kellyEanne.

No one argues the da/ecnl effect, just the ulittle money grab.

by PLAY2FEET!! 22/02/17, 07:20 am

BigErn wrote:

When it comes to JDL hating, we can always count on you SoS ... deja vu --

This league was built as a ~~stepping stone~~ recruiting tool ~~to the ECNL~~ for ECNL clubs ... purty simple stuff. Being intelligent and forward thinking, the heads of these clubs know that the majority of the top talent either currently play at these clubs or will eventually play at these clubs. If JM had been able to get over his pride and had held up his end of the deal they would have been in JDL and had the ECNL track for their players as well. Still on track for ECNL and no one cares about JDL. As it is, come June, DFeet are likely gonna be looking into hospice care, and due to DA, you can count on Kicks players to start trickling away over the next couple of years. Those that want to. As is the case for every team in NTX. Luckily, JM has prepared those players to take the opportunity if they want it.

Other than the one ~~Kicks~~ DTS team in 05, are there really any other top teams ~~not~~ currently competing in JDL? As a gesture of good will , Adames moved the 05's out and the 06's up to level the playing field. Word around H. Patterson is the 06's will continue to play with only 9 on the field. I can't come up with any at 04 RUSH and I'm no 06 expert but it looks like all of the top teams are there. B.S.

by SickofStupidity 22/02/17, 08:14 am

Last I checked, plenty of 06 teams in LH better than the bottom JDL team(s).

by SickofStupidity 22/02/17, 08:24 am

Disposessed wrote:I have hopes that some day my daughter will rise above the grind and cross over the rainbow bridge to a elite land of unicorns, puffy clouds, and playing soccer for fun while claiming to be the best. A land where the big 4 only want what is best for the girls...how sweet.

All for the girls, even if it's not developmental

by Guest 22/02/17, 08:43 am

SickofSilliness wrote:Last I checked, plenty of 06 teams in LH better than the bottom JDL team(s).

Try one or two.

by soccersleuth 22/02/17, 08:52 am

In regards to DTS moving up to the 05 JDL, I don't seem to recall them beating Sting Black or Solar Red, and springate always gives them a run for their money, so there appears to be competition within their own division I wonder why the move then scratch

by SickofStupidity 22/02/17, 09:06 am

Bad Santa wrote:
SickofSilliness wrote:Last I checked, plenty of 06 teams in LH better than the bottom JDL team(s).

Try one or two.

Youth Soccer Rankings has 5 ranked above the bottom JDL team

Gotsoccer as 8

by ForReal 22/02/17, 09:15 am

soccersleuth wrote:In regards to DTS moving up to the 05 JDL, I don't seem to recall them beating Sting Black or Solar Red, and springate always gives them a run for their money, so there appears to be competition within their own division I wonder why the move then

I think there was a void to fill above them, so they moved up. But, regardless, I think they will also be very competitive in the 05 league - assuming one of their parents doesn't derail them Cool

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by TatonkaBurger 22/02/17, 09:20 am

SWINGIT!! wrote:
BigErn wrote:

When it comes to JDL hating, we can always count on you SoS ... deja vu --

This league was built as a ~~stepping stone~~ recruiting tool ~~to the ECNL~~ for ECNL clubs ... purty simple stuff. Being intelligent and forward thinking, the heads of these clubs know that the majority of the top talent either currently play at these clubs or will eventually play at these clubs. If JM had been able to get over his pride and had held up his end of the deal they would have been in JDL and had the ECNL track for their players as well. Still on track for ECNL and no one cares about JDL. As it is, come June, DFeet are likely gonna be looking into hospice care, and due to DA, you can count on Kicks players to start trickling away over the next couple of years. Those that want to. As is the case for every team in NTX. Luckily, JM has prepared those players to take the opportunity if they want it.

Other than the one ~~Kicks~~ DTS team in 05, are there really any other top teams ~~not~~ currently competing in JDL? As a gesture of good will , Adames moved the 05's out and the 06's up to level the playing field. Word around H. Patterson is the 06's will continue to play with only 9 on the field. I can't come up with any at 04 RUSH and I'm no 06 expert but it looks like all of the top teams are there. B.S.

The actual results don't matter. Just listen to the JDL/DA blowhard and believe every word hE says.

by weeblewobble 22/02/17, 09:21 am

I won't derail them. Me and Sal are good now.

Btw, DTS is the #1 team in nation. Why wouldn't we move up to a more challenging environment? Nothing in 06 JDL world to keep us there. Girls need to be consistently challenged. We will be in a much better place than other teams next year if we start 11v11 now.

by KeeperCommander 22/02/17, 09:52 am

wadegarrett wrote:I won't derail them. Me and Sal are good now.

Btw, DTS is the #1 team in nation. Why wouldn't we move up to a more challenging environment? Nothing in 06 JDL world to keep us there. Girls need to be consistently challenged. We will be in a much better place than other teams next year if we start 11v11 now.

No question you will benefit from playing up. The big question would be why would 05 JDL allow the move? Wouldn't that decrease their higher end competition? Plus I thought U12 next year was staying 9v9.

by Guest 22/02/17, 09:54 am

SickofSilliness wrote:
Bad Santa wrote:
SickofSilliness wrote:Last I checked, plenty of 06 teams in LH better than the bottom JDL team(s).

Try one or two.

Youth Soccer Rankings has 5 ranked above the bottom JDL team

Gotsoccer as 8

This is the 1st year the 06's were ranked. Lots of movement from month to month outside the top 4. My point though was of the LH only teams maybe one is better than the lowest JDL team.

by 4-4-2 22/02/17, 10:18 am

My guess is DA /ECNL is not far away for 05s. The stronger 05s can play ECNL or DA coming fall. Big 4 need to roster their DA and ECNL and composite teams come next fall and will need 05s. DTS is slightly ahead of the curve here.

KeeperCommander wrote:
wadegarrett wrote:I won't derail them. Me and Sal are good now.

Btw, DTS is the #1 team in nation. Why wouldn't we move up to a more challenging environment? Nothing in 06 JDL world to keep us there. Girls need to be consistently challenged. We will be in a much better place than other teams next year if we start 11v11 now.
No question you will benefit from playing up. The big question would be why would 05 JDL allow the move? Wouldn't that decrease their higher end competition? Plus I thought U12 next year was staying 9v9.

by Guest 22/02/17, 10:23 am

KeeperCommander wrote:
wadegarrett wrote:I won't derail them. Me and Sal are good now.

Btw, DTS is the #1 team in nation. Why wouldn't we move up to a more challenging environment? Nothing in 06 JDL world to keep us there. Girls need to be consistently challenged. We will be in a much better place than other teams next year if we start 11v11 now.
No question you will benefit from playing up. The big question would be why would 05 JDL allow the move? Wouldn't that decrease their higher end competition? Plus I thought U12 next year was staying 9v9.

I guess I shouldn't badmouth the move until we know the makeup of the DTS '06 magenta team. If current '06 and '05 bench players end up with more game minutes, my pre-emptive apologies and salute.

by Big Ern 22/02/17, 10:31 am

I certainly don't disagree that some of the bottom feeders in the JDL are sub par ... Most of which due to to the soon to be irrelevant DFeeters.

And while it's an easy detail to jump on for those without kids on the top teams in JDL that want to argue the obvious just for the sake of arguing ... The point has never been that only the best teams are in JDL. Just that it is for the ECNL clubs (it was proposed prior to the USSF GDA announcement) where the majority of the talent will be eventually, and yes ... Of course it will be used as a recruitment tool in addition to an eval platform.

Personally, I don't have any stake in the league at all - my kid is one and done with JDL ... Just few matches remaining. No Kook Aid necessary -

by KeeperCommander 22/02/17, 10:34 am

Sho'Nuff wrote:
KeeperCommander wrote:
wadegarrett wrote:I won't derail them. Me and Sal are good now.

Btw, DTS is the #1 team in nation. Why wouldn't we move up to a more challenging environment? Nothing in 06 JDL world to keep us there. Girls need to be consistently challenged. We will be in a much better place than other teams next year if we start 11v11 now.
No question you will benefit from playing up. The big question would be why would 05 JDL allow the move? Wouldn't that decrease their higher end competition? Plus I thought U12 next year was staying 9v9.

I guess I shouldn't badmouth the move until we know the makeup of the DTS '06 magenta team. If current '06 and '05 bench players end up with more game minutes, my pre-emptive apologies and salute.

Hell I am not badmouthing the move. I applaud such an endeavor. Just question the thoughts of the other teams that are touting high end play. 05 JDL will be losing their big anchor team that holds all the cards. I don't think the 06 team can efficiently replace the 05. Like you said though if they can I will just sit here and shake my head.

by ForReal 22/02/17, 10:51 am

KeeperCommander wrote:
Sho'Nuff wrote:
KeeperCommander wrote:
wadegarrett wrote:I won't derail them. Me and Sal are good now.

Btw, DTS is the #1 team in nation. Why wouldn't we move up to a more challenging environment? Nothing in 06 JDL world to keep us there. Girls need to be consistently challenged. We will be in a much better place than other teams next year if we start 11v11 now.
No question you will benefit from playing up. The big question would be why would 05 JDL allow the move? Wouldn't that decrease their higher end competition? Plus I thought U12 next year was staying 9v9.

I guess I shouldn't badmouth the move until we know the makeup of the DTS '06 magenta team. If current '06 and '05 bench players end up with more game minutes, my pre-emptive apologies and salute.
Hell I am not badmouthing the move. I applaud such an endeavor. Just question the thoughts of the other teams that are touting high end play. 05 JDL will be losing their big anchor team that holds all the cards. I don't think the 06 team can efficiently replace the 05. Like you said though if they can I will just sit here and shake my head.

The 06s won't replace the 05s. No team can replace the No. 1 team in the nation (per youthsoccer rankings). However, if the 06s play just their 06s, while there might be a slight learning curve going to 11v11, they could still very well finish middle of the pack this Spring. They are that good.

by SickofStupidity 22/02/17, 11:05 am

So, we have established that:

(1) while bE touts the "real reason the league came about in the first place, is that most of the top teams in the area get more consistent high level competition" - the actual reason was for the top ECNL clubs to compete only against each other and utilize it as a recruiting tool

(2) while bE wants to run away from the term "development", JDL coaches recruited and teams were actually sold to parents based on that "development" tag

(3) without JDL, coaches are unwilling or unable to try players in different positions or experiment

(4) JDL moms are hotter than LH moms

(5) most posters do not see an appreciable difference in training related to the move to JDL

(6) most posters do not see an appreciable difference in games related to the move to JDL (except maybe less intensity and fewer parents yelling, or not)

(7) foxy parents and others think it is more a money grab or tool for the benefit of large clubs and not actually focused on players

by Guest 22/02/17, 11:20 am

My trusted sources over on the JDL forum told me they formed JDL just to pi$$ of SoS...

by SickofStupidity 22/02/17, 11:37 am

I have a nose for BS - smelled this sales pitch from a mile away

"development that wouldn't happen otherwise due to the pressures every team faces to avoid relegation in LH"

"the benefit of the girls"

"more consistent competition (by excluding better non-ECNL clubs)"

Generally the same clubs selling their "inside track" to ECNL teams to U6 parents, now selling the "inside track" thru the use of JDL

by Guest 22/02/17, 11:51 am

"Mission accomplished"

by tpitty 22/02/17, 11:58 am

bwgophers wrote:"Mission accomplished"

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