PrimeTime Sports Winter Blast - Accepted Teams

SolarPower00 wrote:I think it's a little more complicated than you described Runslikethewind
For the 03s...guest play is not about teams borrowing a star player to win a trophy.
The teams using guests already have more hardware than Ace.
It's all about rankings, LHGCL seedings, and trying to lure other star players.
It's teams like Fever saying despite our departures ....'we're still on top'.
It's teams like Sting Gut saying 'we're top 3 and havn't missed a beat with the coaching change'. Although we appreciate the insight with your son's guest experience...runslikethewind
What we are currently seeing with the 03 girls is use of 'hired guns' as a marketing tool to promote one's team....it's not about the trophies.

silentparent wrote:Runslikethewind, we are on polar opposites. i think this close and it is close to forming a team, sitting your core practicing, paying players to win a trophy is WRONG. I think it is very wrong when many guest players are used. wrong to the player who pays and practices, who you want to be a part of your team unless of course a trophy is up for grabs, sends the wrong message to your parents and players, sullies your team name and coach and leaves a bad taste in people's mouths. if she's not good enough to play for the trophy, why keep her around and collect her money?

bwgophers wrote:Looks like I need to remind everyone about the NTX academy soccer "Facts of Life"...

1) Guest players will always be used in academy leagues and tournaments
2) The parents of the team using the guest player(s) will always come on the forum and claim that the guests were used for the right reason(s) (injured/missing players, guest player is considering joining the team, guest is a friend of several players on the team and was just getting some extra touches, etc.), and that all of the team parents/players were happy to have the guest.
3) The parents from other teams will always come on the forum and claim that the guest player(s) were simply nothing more than "hired guns" brought in to help win a trophy, help win a big league game, help with rankings, recruiting, etc. Those parents also can't believe how the "regular" players/parents aren't absolutely outraged at the use of guest players and should be immediately jumping ship.
4) Next week... there will be guest players being used again...
5) Rinse and repeat...

jj4mel wrote:

mackgee wrote:I know it's hard for some people who post here, but how about this...

Congrats on DTS for winning the PT Winter Blast
Congrats to Fever for taking 2nd
Congrats to FCD Premier for placing 3rd

Also congrats to Sting G for winning the Legacy Cup, and the same to LP RASE for taking 2nd.

There was a lot of good, competitive, fun to watch games in Carrollton this weekend, thanks to everyone who competed, and good luck to everyone this weekend as the various leagues start up...

See it's not too hard. The most amazing part is how I can look some of you people in the eyes and get smiles, hellos, and handshakes from you when out on the pitch, but the same evening you log in here and try to bash various teams for whatever reason suits your agenda.

I disagree with the folks here that say "everything will be worked out this weekend or at QT". The truth is "everything" will be worked out when parents learn how to distance from their involvement in their kids sports. The ones that learn this are the ones whose children will go on the play and enjoy the sport when they near adulthood. The rest will burn their children out way before adulthood. There are four things we as parents should do for our child’s sports are:

1. Allow our girls to determine what's best for them as far as their team and coach
2. Commute them to practice and games
3. Cheer and encourage ALL girls who are on the field
4. Write checks

One of my favorite moments of the weekend is when watching the VERY intense and competitive match between Fever and FCD Premier. Fever scored early 1-0, FCD later tied it 1-1, they then took the lead 2-1, Fever tied it back 2-2, and then Fever took the lead back 3-2 within the last couple minutes of play. When Fever took the lead back I glanced over at the FCD parents and saw ONE parent applauding with a smile on his face. It was a former Fever parent who comes to watch his now FCD Premier daughter play a good match, and cheer on good play. I made an effort after the match to go shake his hand and congratulate him on his daughters play, and wish him good luck this season.

My smiles, hellos, and handshakes are real, I don’t have an agenda, and I won’t hide behind an avatar.

Scott MacGregor
Manager Fever 03 Black Phiri

Great post. Please feel free to look back in the posts and see who started the banter. Wait, I will copy it here for you.

JJ did u hear this or see this, cause from my understanding ur dd was playing at the same time. I didn't see many passing lanes being cut off, I saw a lot of fast agressive play and a lot of "send it passes" from DTS. Also saw 2-3 defenders guarding their guest player.

I commented on a good team and one of your parents (you know who she is) chose to come on here and call out the team and how they guarded your guest player. Maybe if your parent would have considered "refrain" this thread would not have grown about constant negativity.

silentparent wrote:

bwgophers wrote:Looks like I need to remind everyone about the NTX academy soccer "Facts of Life"...

1) Guest players will always be used in academy leagues and tournaments
2) The parents of the team using the guest player(s) will always come on the forum and claim that the guests were used for the right reason(s) (injured/missing players, guest player is considering joining the team, guest is a friend of several players on the team and was just getting some extra touches, etc.), and that all of the team parents/players were happy to have the guest.
3) The parents from other teams will always come on the forum and claim that the guest player(s) were simply nothing more than "hired guns" brought in to help win a trophy, help win a big league game, help with rankings, recruiting, etc. Those parents also can't believe how the "regular" players/parents aren't absolutely outraged at the use of guest players and should be immediately jumping ship.
4) Next week... there will be guest players being used again...
5) Rinse and repeat...

true, but i do wonder about the coach and how he explains that susie now will not start, mary will only play a half, cindy won't play hardly at all, and by the way, tournament fees are due to the manager at the end of practice....

RunsLikeWind wrote:

SolarPower00 wrote:I think it's a little more complicated than you described Runslikethewind
For the 03s...guest play is not about teams borrowing a star player to win a trophy.
The teams using guests already have more hardware than Ace.
It's all about rankings, LHGCL seedings, and trying to lure other star players.
It's teams like Fever saying despite our departures ....'we're still on top'.
It's teams like Sting Gut saying 'we're top 3 and havn't missed a beat with the coaching change'. Although we appreciate the insight with your son's guest experience...runslikethewind
What we are currently seeing with the 03 girls is use of 'hired guns' as a marketing tool to promote one's team....it's not about the trophies.

You make some good points, but the harsh tone on here from some comes across as a little childish. If they are using these wins to say "we are still on top" then parents only need to check out some regular practices to see who is on the regular team. Also, at this stage, no one really has any idea what their team will look like for qualifynig. I can tell you I have seen teams add and lose as many as 5 to six players (on top teams) a month before signing so even this SPring means very little.

2ddsinsoccer wrote:

RunsLikeWind wrote:

SolarPower00 wrote:I think it's a little more complicated than you described Runslikethewind
For the 03s...guest play is not about teams borrowing a star player to win a trophy.
The teams using guests already have more hardware than Ace.
It's all about rankings, LHGCL seedings, and trying to lure other star players.
It's teams like Fever saying despite our departures ....'we're still on top'.
It's teams like Sting Gut saying 'we're top 3 and havn't missed a beat with the coaching change'. Although we appreciate the insight with your son's guest experience...runslikethewind
What we are currently seeing with the 03 girls is use of 'hired guns' as a marketing tool to promote one's team....it's not about the trophies.

You make some good points, but the harsh tone on here from some comes across as a little childish. If they are using these wins to say "we are still on top" then parents only need to check out some regular practices to see who is on the regular team. Also, at this stage, no one really has any idea what their team will look like for qualifynig. I can tell you I have seen teams add and lose as many as 5 to six players (on top teams) a month before signing so even this SPring means very little.

A month before signing, try signing day..... My 98 daughter who is much like her 03 sister or should I say the 03 sister is much like her, was on a top 98 team that imploded on signing day her first year of Select. She had gotten many offers to change teams, guest play, etc. and I always said no. I was loyal to the team and Coach and then a Coaching change at the last minute caused the team to fall a part. My 98 who was at that time a LHGCL D1 player ended up on a team playing PPL D2. She played up on a 97 team with a group of players she'd never played with before and quite frankly didn't even know. Her first year of Select was a miserable year to say the least but all the other top teams had filled their open roster spots. I vowed not to make the same mistakes with my 03. Loyalty is important and my allegiance is to my team and Coach however I will not make the same mistake with this daughter that I made with my 98. I have learned to not burn bridges and keep the door open because you never know who you may end up on the sidelines with.

YRUH8N wrote:Just curious if the guest player for Fever was not who she was but only a mediocre player at best and Fever went 1-1-1. Would any of this even matter? What if Fever's entire bench was guest players and they won every game except the game against FCD Premier would any of this even matter? It seems to me the issue is not that Fever used a guest player, its the guest player they used. Why would any Coach use a guest player that would not make a difference? I think the whole point of using guest is a way to recruit other good players, fill open roster spots, or help a team that has been struggling in recent months, revive confidence issues. I really don't see what the big deal is/was here. I must be missing something. Is there some animosity amongst these two teams? According to Primetime website Fever beat Vitesse 3-0, Ayses 6-1, and Cosmos 4-1 yet I don't see any of those teams on the board complaining and if the guest player was as good as you are suggesting, then surely they recognized her too. There has to be something else driving this feud. Maybe those other teams all had guest players too and that's why it doesn't matter to them. I don't know. I do know teams use guest players all the time for different reasons and who those guest players are sometimes is anybody's "guess" unless they are an impact player and a game changer.

flygirl wrote:

YRUH8N wrote:Just curious if the guest player for Fever was not who she was but only a mediocre player at best and Fever went 1-1-1. Would any of this even matter? What if Fever's entire bench was guest players and they won every game except the game against FCD Premier would any of this even matter? It seems to me the issue is not that Fever used a guest player, its the guest player they used. Why would any Coach use a guest player that would not make a difference? I think the whole point of using guest is a way to recruit other good players, fill open roster spots, or help a team that has been struggling in recent months, revive confidence issues. I really don't see what the big deal is/was here. I must be missing something. Is there some animosity amongst these two teams? According to Primetime website Fever beat Vitesse 3-0, Ayses 6-1, and Cosmos 4-1 yet I don't see any of those teams on the board complaining and if the guest player was as good as you are suggesting, then surely they recognized her too. There has to be something else driving this feud. Maybe those other teams all had guest players too and that's why it doesn't matter to them. I don't know. I do know teams use guest players all the time for different reasons and who those guest players are sometimes is anybody's "guess" unless they are an impact player and a game changer.

Ok, so I guess everyone will be fine next week when srsa inserts their studs onto the chelsea team and blows out sting m 10-0...

flyonawall wrote:Excuse all you haters for focusing on a couple of guest players. Have you NEVER had your daughter guest in a tournament? Well perhaps that's the problem. And I suppose your teams have never ever used a single guest player who was perhaps interested in your team. So glad your 16 are set in stone, but quit being so envious of teams having girls interested and wanting to guest play in a tournament. You have NO idea why teams are using guest players...quit assuming coaches are chasing trophies. I said it before and I will say it again....girls who are guesting are shopping around. And if I'm taking my daughter to guest in a tournament to see if the team is a good fit, I hope she gets some play time otherwise it's pointless. And shame on you all for taking away from all the hard work of the rest of the team by focusing on guest players. The teams that won this weekend ALL deserve congratulations...and EACH girl deserves it as well. My daughter would put you in your proper place if you dared tried to tell her the only deserving player of a trophy was the guest player. So congrats to ALL the girls who won this weekend. And excuse the parents who are embarassingly bitter and envious.

YRUH8N wrote:

flygirl wrote:

YRUH8N wrote:Just curious if the guest player for Fever was not who she was but only a mediocre player at best and Fever went 1-1-1. Would any of this even matter? What if Fever's entire bench was guest players and they won every game except the game against FCD Premier would any of this even matter? It seems to me the issue is not that Fever used a guest player, its the guest player they used. Why would any Coach use a guest player that would not make a difference? I think the whole point of using guest is a way to recruit other good players, fill open roster spots, or help a team that has been struggling in recent months, revive confidence issues. I really don't see what the big deal is/was here. I must be missing something. Is there some animosity amongst these two teams? According to Primetime website Fever beat Vitesse 3-0, Ayses 6-1, and Cosmos 4-1 yet I don't see any of those teams on the board complaining and if the guest player was as good as you are suggesting, then surely they recognized her too. There has to be something else driving this feud. Maybe those other teams all had guest players too and that's why it doesn't matter to them. I don't know. I do know teams use guest players all the time for different reasons and who those guest players are sometimes is anybody's "guess" unless they are an impact player and a game changer.

Ok, so I guess everyone will be fine next week when srsa inserts their studs onto the chelsea team and blows out sting m 10-0...

Everyone else might be fine with it but I assure you Sting M. won't and maybe Silentparent who absolutely despises guest playing to help your team win.

From my understanding or forum reading Fever has lost several top players to other top teams. What better way to attract some players to replace those lost or build up confidence for those remaining on the team than to go out a have a nice tournament outcome. One player does not a team make. Fever had to play as a unit in order to finish 2nd in this tournament. Did their guest player play all positions, win every ball, score every single goal, deny every shot on goal from the opposition? Probably not.

bwgophers wrote:Looks like I need to remind everyone about the NTX academy soccer "Facts of Life"...

1) Guest players will always be used in academy leagues and tournaments
2) The parents of the team using the guest player(s) will always come on the forum and claim that the guests were used for the right reason(s) (injured/missing players, guest player is considering joining the team, guest is a friend of several players on the team and was just getting some extra touches, etc.), and that all of the team parents/players were happy to have the guest.
3) The parents from other teams will always come on the forum and claim that the guest player(s) were simply nothing more than "hired guns" brought in to help win a trophy, help win a big league game, help with rankings, recruiting, etc. Those parents also can't believe how the "regular" players/parents aren't absolutely outraged at the use of guest players and should be immediately jumping ship.
4) Next week... there will be guest players being used again...
5) Rinse and repeat...

SolarPower00 wrote:

flyonawall wrote:Excuse all you haters for focusing on a couple of guest players. Have you NEVER had your daughter guest in a tournament? Well perhaps that's the problem. And I suppose your teams have never ever used a single guest player who was perhaps interested in your team. So glad your 16 are set in stone, but quit being so envious of teams having girls interested and wanting to guest play in a tournament. You have NO idea why teams are using guest players...quit assuming coaches are chasing trophies. I said it before and I will say it again....girls who are guesting are shopping around. And if I'm taking my daughter to guest in a tournament to see if the team is a good fit, I hope she gets some play time otherwise it's pointless. And shame on you all for taking away from all the hard work of the rest of the team by focusing on guest players. The teams that won this weekend ALL deserve congratulations...and EACH girl deserves it as well. My daughter would put you in your proper place if you dared tried to tell her the only deserving player of a trophy was the guest player. So congrats to ALL the girls who won this weekend. And excuse the parents who are embarassingly bitter and envious.

Clueless. The girls that guested on these top teams are not going anywhere.

SolarPower00 wrote:Since all the tournament guesting fun is over for a while ...let the TGPL games begin. Just make sure that everyone on that field is on your US Club roster with an ID...just saying.

Zidane wrote:I believe modifying a US Club roster is about (20) mouse clicks.(give or take)

GrandTXSoccer wrote:Seriously, their will be guest players all the way up to signing day. Just a part of being 6 months to qualifying.

If you are lucky enough to be able to win in a tournament without guest players more power to you. From the little I saw this weekend all these teams more time on the big field. Lots of kickball and missed scoring opportunities.

I think what SP is talking about these actual guest players not going anywhere. Not all guest players. I took it to mean the ones playing with fever aren't looking o switch not were the ones with Sting G. Just like the DTS girls weren't lookin to switch last week.