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Club Pass Player Rule
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Competitive teams will be permitted to have club pass players for league and/or tournament games if specifically allowed by the league or tournament rules. The use of club pass players shall be in accordance with the following.
-The club pass player must be a competitive player registered with NTSSA to another team within the same club
-The club pass player may NOT play down from their own age group
-A release from the team to which the player is rostered is not required. It is up to the club to manage any issues within their teams/parents/coach relating to club pass player
-Club pass player may practice with the team to which they are scheduled to player pass
-The team and club pass player must follow the rules of the competition, including but not limitted to total numbers of club pass players allowedper game and/or the number of teams with which a player may compete in a day, week, or event.
Thats it in a nut shell. NTSSA said it's OK to do it and each league or tournament can make their own rules on how its used.
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Surely, this isn't going to allow club teams within the same age group at the 03 to swap players randomly. That would tick off a LOT of a parents. Might even run kids back to the independent clubs.
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soccerdad1969 wrote:Looks like Solar '02 and '03 has the most to gain from this.
The 02s for sure. The 03 team can beat any of the Solar 02 teams.
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Open your eyes... this changes everything... Players can play wherever in as long as it is in their club.
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I've already spoke my frustration on the other player pass thread today. It basically takes select soccer back to the guest player academy system which has frustrated a lot of posters, big and small club alike. I keep hearing that LHGCL will only allow players to play up, but this still definitely gives the big club a bigger advantage than they already have.herradura wrote:OK, so you do not think marrying key players from FCD Premier with FCD Gold or Sting Hilton with Sting 03 or DT with DTS or what about LP Elite and LP Barnes is going to help in critical games or tournaments?
Open your eyes... this changes everything... Players can play wherever in as long as it is in their club.
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herradura wrote:OK, so you do not think marrying key players from FCD Premier with FCD Gold or Sting Hilton with Sting 03 or DT with DTS or what about LP Elite and LP Barnes is going to help in critical games or tournaments?
Open your eyes... this changes everything... Players can play wherever in as long as it is in their club.
True, but that will create tremendous inter-squad drama. I think this could benefit the independent clubs (after ECNL has kicked them around mercilessly).
And it ruins the fun for the kids, who truly don't give much of a rip about any of this. They just want to play good soccer with their friends, not a bunch of renegade mercenaries they've never met.
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soccerdad1969 wrote:I've already spoke my frustration on the other player pass thread today. It basically takes select soccer back to the guest player academy system which has frustrated a lot of posters, big and small club alike. I keep hearing that LHGCL will only allow players to play up, but this still definitely gives the big club a bigger advantage than they already have.herradura wrote:OK, so you do not think marrying key players from FCD Premier with FCD Gold or Sting Hilton with Sting 03 or DT with DTS or what about LP Elite and LP Barnes is going to help in critical games or tournaments?
Open your eyes... this changes everything... Players can play wherever in as long as it is in their club.
Up only? I don't know about that. It is similar to what is currently going on with ECNL players being inserted into critical D1 games by the club, just at a younger age group... Of course the rules have not been published as of yet, but I am sure the next board meeting will be enlightening...
It does give huge advantages to the bigger clubs.
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Also, just because you are in the same club doesn't mean the teams play the same style of soccer. What advantage would it be to add a really talented player from a kick and run team to a team that plays possesion style?
I only see this being used where girls are wanting to play up and then also come back and play with there own team as well. SRSA's top few players are the perfect example.
I just don't see there being much stacking of LH 03 games this year. Now if they allow kids to play on multiple teams in the same division on the same weekend then yes I can see that leading to some stacking, but I can also see that leading to some pissed off parents and ultimately it being bad for business.
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HotShot36 wrote:I would agree with the fact that inter-squad drama would skyrocket if they allow players to move around within their age bracket. I can't see anything frustrating a parent more than dropping $2500-$3000 to a club then having them tell you your DD won't be playing in this tournament or game. Hopefully, it is just for allowing players to play up. Unfortunately though, I can see it happening with the win at all cost mentality most have.
It happens at State Cup big time, and yes, it causes drama.
But in league play, it could cost a club revenue, because players very likely would bail.
I agree this is primarily for players playing up. The whole SRSA team should play up for that matter.
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Speaking of contracts, why even have the teams name on the form? Just having the club name sounds sufficient now.
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Erod wrote:HotShot36 wrote:I would agree with the fact that inter-squad drama would skyrocket if they allow players to move around within their age bracket. I can't see anything frustrating a parent more than dropping $2500-$3000 to a club then having them tell you your DD won't be playing in this tournament or game. Hopefully, it is just for allowing players to play up. Unfortunately though, I can see it happening with the win at all cost mentality most have.
It happens at State Cup big time, and yes, it causes drama.
But in league play, it could cost a club revenue, because players very likely would bail.
I agree this is primarily for players playing up. The whole SRSA team should play up for that matter.
And why wouldn't 02 players bail if an 03 came and took their spot for key league games / tournaments?
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The contract reads that we signed with this team along with the other 15 players, not the other 10+ from our club
We would be looking to move to a smaller club quickly
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Just Curious wrote:if it happens at my DD club, I will be getting out of my contract
The contract reads that we signed with this team along with the other 15 players, not the other 10+ from our club
We would be looking to move to a smaller club quickly
One does not simply, get out of their contract. I'm not saying it isn't possible, but expect a headache of monumental proportions. Also, teams add and subtract players all the time during the year, well, maybe not all the time, but some times - also they can swap your coaches and do whatever they want to you - you are basically committed to the club on that squad for a year unless you want to sit out or play rec.
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herradura wrote:Erod wrote:HotShot36 wrote:I would agree with the fact that inter-squad drama would skyrocket if they allow players to move around within their age bracket. I can't see anything frustrating a parent more than dropping $2500-$3000 to a club then having them tell you your DD won't be playing in this tournament or game. Hopefully, it is just for allowing players to play up. Unfortunately though, I can see it happening with the win at all cost mentality most have.
It happens at State Cup big time, and yes, it causes drama.
But in league play, it could cost a club revenue, because players very likely would bail.
I agree this is primarily for players playing up. The whole SRSA team should play up for that matter.
And why wouldn't 02 players bail if an 03 came and took their spot for key league games / tournaments?
I think some would for sure. It's not good business when you think about it.
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Just Curious wrote:if it happens at my DD club, I will be getting out of my contract
The contract reads that we signed with this team along with the other 15 players, not the other 10+ from our club
We would be looking to move to a smaller club quickly
Doesn't the contract read that you've signed with the club, not the team / coach......
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Erod wrote:herradura wrote:Erod wrote:HotShot36 wrote:I would agree with the fact that inter-squad drama would skyrocket if they allow players to move around within their age bracket. I can't see anything frustrating a parent more than dropping $2500-$3000 to a club then having them tell you your DD won't be playing in this tournament or game. Hopefully, it is just for allowing players to play up. Unfortunately though, I can see it happening with the win at all cost mentality most have.
It happens at State Cup big time, and yes, it causes drama.
But in league play, it could cost a club revenue, because players very likely would bail.
I agree this is primarily for players playing up. The whole SRSA team should play up for that matter.
And why wouldn't 02 players bail if an 03 came and took their spot for key league games / tournaments?
I think some would for sure. It's not good business when you think about it.
Lots of club soccer is bad business, but it doesn't seem to change the fact that it works. If the benefit of winning a game outweighs the negativity for 1 or 2 lower tier players - they will do it. Someone will be there to take the spots of the kids who leave - especially if the rule is used to make the team better.
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herradura wrote:Erod wrote:HotShot36 wrote:I would agree with the fact that inter-squad drama would skyrocket if they allow players to move around within their age bracket. I can't see anything frustrating a parent more than dropping $2500-$3000 to a club then having them tell you your DD won't be playing in this tournament or game. Hopefully, it is just for allowing players to play up. Unfortunately though, I can see it happening with the win at all cost mentality most have.
It happens at State Cup big time, and yes, it causes drama.
But in league play, it could cost a club revenue, because players very likely would bail.
I agree this is primarily for players playing up. The whole SRSA team should play up for that matter.
And why wouldn't 02 players bail if an 03 came and took their spot for key league games / tournaments?[/quote]
Possibly because of this part of the rule "The club pass player may NOT play down from their own age group"
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This just means they can't play down a year. According to the rules, the 2 studs from SRSA will be able to play up, meaning less PT for two '02s.InaB wrote:herradura wrote:Erod wrote:HotShot36 wrote:I would agree with the fact that inter-squad drama would skyrocket if they allow players to move around within their age bracket. I can't see anything frustrating a parent more than dropping $2500-$3000 to a club then having them tell you your DD won't be playing in this tournament or game. Hopefully, it is just for allowing players to play up. Unfortunately though, I can see it happening with the win at all cost mentality most have.
It happens at State Cup big time, and yes, it causes drama.
But in league play, it could cost a club revenue, because players very likely would bail.
I agree this is primarily for players playing up. The whole SRSA team should play up for that matter.
And why wouldn't 02 players bail if an 03 came and took their spot for key league games / tournaments?[/quote]
Possibly because of this part of the rule "The club pass player may NOT play down from their own age group"
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Maybe we just have fluid rosters and any club players can play in any club game at any time - we can call it academy!
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soccerdad1969 wrote:This just means they can't play down a year. According to the rules, the 2 studs from SRSA will be able to play up, meaning less PT for two '02s.InaB wrote:herradura wrote:Erod wrote:HotShot36 wrote:I would agree with the fact that inter-squad drama would skyrocket if they allow players to move around within their age bracket. I can't see anything frustrating a parent more than dropping $2500-$3000 to a club then having them tell you your DD won't be playing in this tournament or game. Hopefully, it is just for allowing players to play up. Unfortunately though, I can see it happening with the win at all cost mentality most have.
It happens at State Cup big time, and yes, it causes drama.
But in league play, it could cost a club revenue, because players very likely would bail.
I agree this is primarily for players playing up. The whole SRSA team should play up for that matter.
And why wouldn't 02 players bail if an 03 came and took their spot for key league games / tournaments?[/quote]
Possibly because of this part of the rule "The club pass player may NOT play down from their own age group"
Sorry...is this rec or COMPETITIVE? Playing time conversation doesn't fly when you're talking about that standard of team?
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So do the parents of the 9th or 10th best player of the original team need to look at how their DD stacks up against EVERY girl on EVERY team the same age from the club, or even a year younger, before determining if it is worth it to hand over the $3k check?Adi-dazzler wrote:soccerdad1969 wrote:This just means they can't play down a year. According to the rules, the 2 studs from SRSA will be able to play up, meaning less PT for two '02s.InaB wrote:herradura wrote:Erod wrote:HotShot36 wrote:I would agree with the fact that inter-squad drama would skyrocket if they allow players to move around within their age bracket. I can't see anything frustrating a parent more than dropping $2500-$3000 to a club then having them tell you your DD won't be playing in this tournament or game. Hopefully, it is just for allowing players to play up. Unfortunately though, I can see it happening with the win at all cost mentality most have.
It happens at State Cup big time, and yes, it causes drama.
But in league play, it could cost a club revenue, because players very likely would bail.
I agree this is primarily for players playing up. The whole SRSA team should play up for that matter.
And why wouldn't 02 players bail if an 03 came and took their spot for key league games / tournaments?[/quote]
Possibly because of this part of the rule "The club pass player may NOT play down from their own age group"
Sorry...is this rec or COMPETITIVE? Playing time conversation doesn't fly when you're talking about that standard of team?
Come to think of it, after a couple years of this, parents may have their DD's sign with lower ranked team to guarantee playing time while also allowing them to play up with the better teams since the new rules allow it.
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So...what happened at the LHGCL meeting this week concerning this player pass rule? Lots of talk before the meeting, nothing since the meeting?pro16 wrote:Hope everyone realizes this has not been passed/approved by LHGCL. This is simply the NTSSA info.
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