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Someone in the know please do tell.
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wow did the mgr/coach alllow you to finally speak?Seriously wrote:yo#10 why don't you get your facts straight or shut your freaking pie hole. How dare you call the parents a bunch of dogs! Do you really think two families have that much sway with a team? You weren't there when the meeting went down. There wasn't any campaigning going on prior to this event. This was a completely unexpected departure from the norm and there was no hesitation within the parent group about what we'd do. Yes there were players released. I highly doubt battle plans were drawn up to implement this. I think the timing was just there. Two of the players saw decreased playing time hence parents not happy. We are all still scratching our heads on the "why" of the third release. So to accuse two sets of parents in orchestrating this is giving people way more credit than they deserve and insulting the rest of us at the same time. I suppose since you have previously stated that this group wouldn't last a year, it must piss you off to no end that we all stayed together. I don't know what your beef is, whether a previous team member or not, but we saw this as an opportunity to follow a coach our girls like over to a club where we might be able to actually play in an ECNL tourney, without an owner dictating where and when we played based off getting his feelings hurt by another club. It really is just that simple. No nefarious scheming; no back room negotiations. I'm not sure which players you are referring to who are put on a pedestal - my daughter doesn't mention seeing preferential treatment of players. Whether you respond to this or not - I don't give a rats rear. But it sounds like you have a personal issue with these two sets of parents (whomever they may be), but don't insult the rest of us. Our girls are happy; we are happy. Even if one or two did know beforehand - big deal, it still took a 100% YES from the rest of us to move. And I believe there was no hesitation from the crowd. Everybody's happy. It's time to move on; no need to dissect like a cat in a lab. What's done is done.
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Also, what is the rule about 60% that says something like, "If you don't have 60% of your team intact by the end of the season, you lose your bye? With lowered numbers, this could be tricky.
Someone please refresh me on that rule.
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Seriously wrote:Yes, but we weren't allowed to participate in the upcoming tourney because of a tiff between Hassan and the hosting club. I would say the more experience you get on the field facing your opponents the better.
Wow, times have really changed......
So, the whole team packs and go with their Coach to another CLUB because they were not allowed to play in a tournament? U12?
Who is the genius (IT IS ALWAYS ONE PERSON) who stood up in the meeting and say....."Hey, what if we go to a different Club. We should be able to play in this tourney!" .....and the rest went ........Yeaahhh, let's do that!!!
Someone somewhere said something about someone knowing what they were doing, and someone else just went along for a ride......
But at the end of the day, if ALL are happy (mostly parents, dds don't care much) then that is good for the team chemistry.......at least until there is another tourney.
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This was, and has been, a top D1 team for some time. I assume the parents have some sense. I doubt Pele98's scenario is how it went down.
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Coach&Ref wrote:I guess the move could also help in replenishing the team's numbers. Given the player pass rule, he could make the team stronger.
Also, what is the rule about 60% that says something like, "If you don't have 60% of your team intact by the end of the season, you lose your bye? With lowered numbers, this could be tricky.
Someone please refresh me on that rule.
Assuming that they submitted all of the name change paperwork to their home association prior to Feb. 1st, the rule you are thinking of shouldn't come into play in this case.
If the name change happened prior to Feb. 1, then Sting is now the current owner of any bye associated with that team.
The rule you are thinking of is an LHGCL rule and basically states that if 75% of the players from a previous year's roster (as of the April 1st official NTSSA roster) all sign together with a new club/team in July, then the new club/team get's the LHGCL bye. Otherwise the bye remains with the previous club, even if they have 0 players from the previous year's roster.
Had the name change taken place after Feb. 1st, then if <75% of the Higgy roster as of 4/1/14 didn't sign together this July, then the bye actually would've gone back to Texans. However, as a former DOC at Texans, I'm putting my money on it that RH knew exactly what the dates were and made sure that all of the paperwork was signed and submitted by Feb. 1, so the bye is now owned by Sting.
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MiddleClass wrote:What I don't understand is the 3 releases. If the club knew these players would be released so the bye would go to Sting, then it never happens. Otherwise, the team stays at Texans because it's not 100%. I would think the coach helped get the releases for say team chemistry then bam...we are gone too. I have no dog in the fight but I am just trying to piece together common sense. From the outside looking in, it would appear that Texans got duped.
Easy... There's no club, or even DOC signature on a player release. The only signature required on the player release is the coach. If the coach releases a player against the wishes of his/her employer, then that's between the club and the coach to work out. Whether the releases happened before or after the team name change occurred, as long as RH was listed as the official coach on the NTSSA roster, then he, and he alone has the power to sign a release.
If the release paperwork was filed prior to the name change paperwork, then the released player's parents' signatures weren't required on the team name change. Or, the parents' could've signed the team name change paperwork, and the releases could've been filed after the name change took place. Either way, it's kosher, and I'm pretty sure all of this was kept big time on the DL so Hassan/Ahmed wouldn't find out about it and try to find a way to maneuver around it (trust me, I have personal experience on that front...)
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MiddleClass wrote:Makes perfect sense since the coach only signs the paperwork. Leave in a blaze of glory!
...and by the way... getting an NTSSA player release, whether to competitive or to rec, does NOT release the player/family from their financial commitments to the original club that they signed with.
Technically, the original club could come after the family for any unpaid dues if there was a financial agreement signed at the beginning of the year (I know with both Texans and Sting that such agreements are signed), i.e. via small claims court.
That's why in a lot of cases, coaches won't sign a competitive release unless the family has already paid all of their dues for the entire year.
In just about all cases, the club won't pursue to get the funds owed to them through the legal system because it costs more in time than it's really worth, and/or it's not worth the club risking the bad pub that such a move would likely generate.
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It's no secret Hassan despises the girl's side of Texans, so i don't feel sorry for the guy i think it's just Karma... kuddo's to the parents that had the gut's to leave on what they believed in.
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Typically these moves do not occur mid season correct. So what this team did was BIG-i mean in a good way. Hassan needs to pull his head out and realize the girls side carries the boys side. So pay attention to what makes you money.DrSoccer wrote:There was a (97) top 4 LH team that moved from Txns to Sting a few yrs ago as well, so it does happen, and I think Kenny took the 91 Texans to Sting when he left. Its not uncommon for a coach to move his team to a new club when he changes colors. So if RH was going to leave then this is not a big deal. And we don't have to worry, both clubs will continue to print money.
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