04 QT Seeding and Schedule

What's different this year? Seems the same as previous years.

And nevermind. I see D1 will be set after the first weekend now.

My understanding (though I could be wrong):

Last year:

weekend #1 - 13 teams advance to D1
28 teams advance to next weekend
11 teams go home

weekend #2 - 7 teams advance to D1
10 teams to D3

this year:

weekend #1 - 20 teams to D1
all remaining teams (32) advance to round 2

weekend #2 - 10 teams to D3

Great job, DT Scott!

NEW FORMAT FOR QT 2014 U11's

LAKE HIGHLANDS GIRLS CLASSIC LEAGUE 2014 QUALIFYING TOURNAMENT PLAYING FORMAT FOR UNDER 11 (04’s)
52 Teams trying out for 30 spots: 20 Division I, and 10 Division III

ROUND 1: (78 games)

Teams will be seeded into 13 Brackets of 4.
Teams in all Brackets will play all other teams within their bracket.
After Round 1, the 13 Bracket winners and the next 7 teams with the highest point totals will qualify for Lake Highlands Girls Classic League in Division I.

ROUND 2: (48 games)
All other teams will advance to Round 2.

The Round 2 teams will be seeded into 8 Brackets of 4.

After Round 2 play, the 8 bracket winners and the next 2 teams with the highest point totals will qualify for Lake Highlands Girls Classic League in Division IIII.

* To the extent possible, Round 2 Brackets will be adjusted after Round 1 to make certain that teams from the same Round 1 Brackets do not play each other in Round 2. Therefore, teams may not actually play in the Brackets as shown above. All bracket adjustments will be done at the discretion of LHGCL.

I can't say I am a fan of the new format.  I thought the old format, with the reseeding before determining the other 7, was valuable to catch any seeding errors.  Instead, D1 is all done based on initial seeding now.  

If you are going to do it this way, why not just limit the pool size to 50, play 4 games in 10 brackets and have D2 the first year.  Group winners go to D1, Second place to D2, Third to D3, 4th and 5th to PPL.  Then you have it all done in one weekend.  But...there is no adjustment for errant seeding...which is why the reseed before establishing the lower 7 in D1 was valuable.

BUT....what makes me a little MORE upset about the QT rules is that goal differential and goals scored are so heavily weighted over goals allowed in the tie-breakers.  Why?  Because it goes to 8 goals per game...which I think is wrong.

Most coaches like to take their foot off the gas when they play an opponent they can blow out for two reasons.  One is to get bench players minutes (development), and the other is out of pure sportsmanship instead of just destroying an opponent.  The 8 goal consideration here encourages coaches to run up the score and obliterate teams.  Check that...it doesn't encourage them to do it...it REQUIRES them to be unsportsmanlike.  Make it a 3 goal max like other tournaments when determining tie-breakers.  

Just my $0.02

ph223048 wrote:NEW FORMAT FOR QT 2014 U11's

LAKE HIGHLANDS GIRLS CLASSIC LEAGUE 2014 QUALIFYING TOURNAMENT PLAYING FORMAT FOR UNDER 11 (04’s)
52 Teams trying out for 30 spots: 20 Division I, and 10 Division III

ROUND 1: (78 games)

Teams will be seeded into 13 Brackets of 4.
Teams in all Brackets will play all other teams within their bracket.
After Round 1, the 13 Bracket winners and the next 7 teams with the highest point totals will qualify for Lake Highlands Girls Classic League in Division I.

ROUND 2: (48 games)
All other teams will advance to Round 2.

The Round 2 teams will be seeded into 8 Brackets of 4.

After Round 2 play, the 8 bracket winners and the next 2 teams with the highest point totals will qualify for Lake Highlands Girls Classic League in Division IIII.

* To the extent possible, Round 2 Brackets will be adjusted after Round 1 to make certain that teams from the same Round 1 Brackets do not play each other in Round 2. Therefore, teams may not actually play in the Brackets as shown above. All bracket adjustments will be done at the discretion of LHGCL.

I can't decide how I feel about the new format. I think I liked the old format better where you had to win your bracket to make it into D1...either on the 1st or 2nd weekend. Seems to me that there would be no way for any team to complain about anything...win your bracket and your in. With the new format, there are going to be 6 teams that finish 2nd in their bracket and don't advance because of points...some of which I'm sure will be based on a tie-breaker situation.

It will definitely make a difference. Just from looking back at last years QT there are some teams that wouldn't have made DI under the current format. Teams like Cosmos, Andromeda, FWFC, & Warriors wouldn't have made DI. While teams like Mutiny, Dallas Rush, Odyssey, and Sting Goodman would have all made DI, instead they were in DIII.

I honestly don't know which way is better, Cosmos 03 is a team that ended up finishing 8th or 9th in DI their first year and under the current format would have been left out playing in DIII. On the other hand, who knows how some of these teams that missed out on the old format would have done in DI.

From looking at last years results, if you can get to 20 points you are probably pretty safe to advance, also if you are seeded 2nd in G through M it seems like you had a better chance of advancing. One year of results though makes it hard to make any real predictions. Just make sure you are racking up more than 8 points (not goals, although that would help) per win and you will be fine.

Should be fun to watch this weekend, especially if play is what it's like historically where teams pack it in and hope to catch the other team out of position on a long ball counter. I could see a top 10 seed get caught on the outside looking in because of this new format.

There's gonna be a lot of "ugly soccer" going on. But it's also gonna be interesting to see how teams respond or react to goals and losses.

Ridiculous the way they are handling this. Lake Highlands should be ashamed with this format.

When we want to know why the rest of the world laughs at us, it isn't because what we do on the field, it's the constant reinventing of rules and formats that have been around forever.

With this format the final 7 teams that qualify will not be decided on the field amongst those teams, they will be decided by some random seeding number thrown at them and the teams they are lucky or unlucky enough to get grouped with. The only way to properly qualify the last 7 is on the field.

Secondly, the stupid 10 point system is a sham. Let's see, we will give you a point for each goal up to three, but the tiebreaker will use GD and GF up to 8...WHAT? They are inviting it upon themselves if things get ugly. I guess if you are 14,15,16 on your roster, you might get some valuable time when your team is up 8-0. Ridiculous.

As a poster said above, cap at 50 teams, group winners are through and group runners up play it out for remaining spots.

Agreed, slrsoccer. It's a shame that they decided to award a team for up to 8 goals in a game.  I'd hate to be at one of those games where RASE (or another top team) is playing an FBR team ranked 50th.  Will they get to 8-0 before halftime and see if the other team wants to call it quits?

 

did lake highlands send officials to watch games at Puma cup?

My concern with the 8 goal thing is that unless everyone is as obsessive as I am and reads the rules from cover to cover, they wouldn't know about the 8th goal having value.
How many parents are going to get upset at their opponent for "being a jerk and running up the score"? Most don't even understand offside and go ballistic. Will there be fights on the sideline?
Or worse yet, what are we teaching the "winning" kids...."sweep the leg?", "no mercy?", or "kick them when they are down?"

In light of last weekend, get your popcorn and watch the show!!

WestsideSoccer wrote:did lake highlands send officials to watch games at Puma cup?

what for? I would guess they were too busy watching 35 other '04 teams at the King Tut tournament. what teams actually played in the Puma cup?

[quote="Soccerjunk"][quote="WestsideSoccer"]did lake highlands send officials to watch games at Puma cup?[/quote]

what for? I would guess they were too busy watching 35 other '04 teams at the King Tut tournament. what teams actually played in the Puma cup?[/quote]

Sure, there were a bunch of 'em...   

http://events.gotsport.com/events/results.aspx?EventID=39314&Gender=Girls&Age=11

Is there a list of accepted teams?
When will they post schedules with teams instead of place holders?

soccerpapa2 wrote:Is there a list of accepted teams?
When will they post schedules with teams instead of place holders?

I believe the schedule comes out tomorrow.

Too bad the LHGQT site does not have a website hit counter.  It could have made for some interesting +/- wagering.  I have a feeling that it would resemble the US debt calculator tomorrow afternoon.  

Good luck to all the teams tomorrow and the girls this weekend. Hopefully, this will be a great start in all of our DD's soccer journey.

P.S. Keep it classy during the games this weekend.

[quote="PickAwinner"]Too bad the LHGQT site does not have a website hit counter.  It could have made for some interesting +/- wagering.  I have a feeling that it would resemble the US debt calculator tomorrow afternoon.  

Good luck to all the teams tomorrow and the girls this weekend. Hopefully, this will be a great start in all of our DD's soccer journey.

P.S. Keep it classy during the games this weekend.[/quote]

I would not wager on that. There will be more than a few moron parents out there being obnoxious this weekend stressing over each pass.

Schedules are down. That only means one thing...

didn't figure they would come out until much later today??

Soccapeeps wrote:

PickAwinner wrote:Too bad the LHGQT site does not have a website hit counter.  It could have made for some interesting +/- wagering.  I have a feeling that it would resemble the US debt calculator tomorrow afternoon.  

Good luck to all the teams tomorrow and the girls this weekend. Hopefully, this will be a great start in all of our DD's soccer journey.

P.S. Keep it classy during the games this weekend.[/quote]

I would not wager on that. There will be more than a few moron parents out there being obnoxious this weekend stressing over each pass.

Maybe we could get an audio/video contest going:

(1) Most obnoxious parent during a game

(2) Coach humiliating or berating 10 year old girls (maybe 2 categories here - during the game and after)

(3) Parent "advice" or game breakdown in the parking lot.

purezen wrote:didn't figure they would come out until much later today??

Actually, the site has been down since 3:32 am.  My index finger is so tired from clicking refresh.... 

PickAwinner wrote:

purezen wrote:didn't figure they would come out until much later today??

Actually, the site has been down since 3:32 am.  My index finger is so tired from clicking refresh.... 

I'm not a Dr., but I think you have an issue that needs attention.