This topic is about absolutely nothing

SickofStupidity wrote:

Zizou wrote:

KeeperCommander wrote:

Zizou wrote:

KeeperCommander wrote:

Zizou wrote:I’m pretty sure that those clubs being asked to leave are overly concerned.

They should be

Na, they will have a DA2 that will make for easier movement to the top team.

Would make perfect sense if some of these DA2 teams could even compete in ECNL but they can’t so.......

The first year for these brand new ECNL teams for these clubs. In time they will build and grow the second level. Then ECNL teams might need to worry about be beat by a DA2 squad.

Please.

Please explain the difficulty these clubs faced?  If (as some have stated) generally all the best players went to play DA, then there was an open opportunity for the rest to play for any ECNL team.  Why would those clubs who offer the "next step above ECNL" not be able to recruit a large percentage of these players?  

Gotta agree with KC - superior players / athletes, superior coaches, superior development style, practice 4-days per week, daily mental and physical evaluation.

There may not be a need to win while playing GDA games, but you damn well better believe that the pressure will be on for all GDA finals.

I believe I've answered this question for SoSy awhile back, but here goes again ...

While I wouldn't say that the clubs in question faced adversity, I do think that many of those kids that did not make the GDA teams at FCD or Solar, think of themselves (or have parents that think of them) as players that should be playing on the 'top' team in their respective age group at a club.  Therefore, they may have gone to (or stayed with) the ECNL teams at Sting or D'Feeters.  It's likely a combination of this, plus a lack of depth of elite talent which exists at all of the bigs (GDA and ECNL) in NTX, that leads to lackluster '2nd' teams.

And I'd respectively disagree with your (and a few others) thoughts regarding 'the pressure is on" and 'the DIGC finals have to be all GDA or else'.  Pressure on who?  The kids?  Coaches?  C'mon now.  And (outside of KC) who is it that you all think would call GDA an "utter failure" if it's not an all GDA final?

Big Ern wrote:

SickofStupidity wrote:

Zizou wrote:

KeeperCommander wrote:

Zizou wrote:

KeeperCommander wrote:
They should be

Na, they will have a DA2 that will make for easier movement to the top team.

Would make perfect sense if some of these DA2 teams could even compete in ECNL but they can’t so.......

The first year for these brand new ECNL teams for these clubs. In time they will build and grow the second level. Then ECNL teams might need to worry about be beat by a DA2 squad.

Please.

Please explain the difficulty these clubs faced?  If (as some have stated) generally all the best players went to play DA, then there was an open opportunity for the rest to play for any ECNL team.  Why would those clubs who offer the "next step above ECNL" not be able to recruit a large percentage of these players?  

Gotta agree with KC - superior players / athletes, superior coaches, superior development style, practice 4-days per week, daily mental and physical evaluation.

There may not be a need to win while playing GDA games, but you damn well better believe that the pressure will be on for all GDA finals.

I believe I've answered this question for SoSy awhile back, but here goes again ...

While I wouldn't say that the clubs in question faced adversity, I do think that many of those kids that did not make the GDA teams at FCD or Solar, think of themselves (or have parents that think of them) as players that should be playing on the 'top' team in their respective age group at a club.  Therefore, they may have gone to (or stayed with) the ECNL teams at Sting or D'Feeters.  It's likely a combination of this, plus a lack of depth of elite talent which exists at all of the bigs (GDA and ECNL) in NTX, that leads to lackluster '2nd' teams.

And I'd respectively disagree with your (and a few others) thoughts regarding 'the pressure is on" and 'the DIGC finals have to be all GDA or else'.  Pressure on who?  The kids?  Coaches?  C'mon now.  And (outside of KC) who is it that you all think would call GDA an "utter failure" if it's not an all GDA final?

So, what do you think is an appropriate number of DA clubs in NTX?  Have they watered down the product or overextended themselves with 3 NTX clubs?  I think an argument could be made that one of the best things to happen to GDA in NTX was Sting turning down the bid.

IMO, after all the GDA hype, and the claim by a few people that most of the top NTX talent landed on GDA teams, they are gonna look mighty foolish if they can't take their top talent, 4 practices a week, and development style and convert it into consistent wins against lesser talent practicing 2 days per week (excepting those teams that have shown themselves to be out of their league playing GDA).

SickofStupidity wrote:

Big Ern wrote:

SickofStupidity wrote:

Zizou wrote:

KeeperCommander wrote:

Zizou wrote:

Na, they will have a DA2 that will make for easier movement to the top team.

Would make perfect sense if some of these DA2 teams could even compete in ECNL but they can’t so.......

The first year for these brand new ECNL teams for these clubs. In time they will build and grow the second level. Then ECNL teams might need to worry about be beat by a DA2 squad.

Please.

Please explain the difficulty these clubs faced?  If (as some have stated) generally all the best players went to play DA, then there was an open opportunity for the rest to play for any ECNL team.  Why would those clubs who offer the "next step above ECNL" not be able to recruit a large percentage of these players?  

Gotta agree with KC - superior players / athletes, superior coaches, superior development style, practice 4-days per week, daily mental and physical evaluation.

There may not be a need to win while playing GDA games, but you damn well better believe that the pressure will be on for all GDA finals.

I believe I've answered this question for SoSy awhile back, but here goes again ...

While I wouldn't say that the clubs in question faced adversity, I do think that many of those kids that did not make the GDA teams at FCD or Solar, think of themselves (or have parents that think of them) as players that should be playing on the 'top' team in their respective age group at a club.  Therefore, they may have gone to (or stayed with) the ECNL teams at Sting or D'Feeters.  It's likely a combination of this, plus a lack of depth of elite talent which exists at all of the bigs (GDA and ECNL) in NTX, that leads to lackluster '2nd' teams.

And I'd respectively disagree with your (and a few others) thoughts regarding 'the pressure is on" and 'the DIGC finals have to be all GDA or else'.  Pressure on who?  The kids?  Coaches?  C'mon now.  And (outside of KC) who is it that you all think would call GDA an "utter failure" if it's not an all GDA final?

So, what do you think is an appropriate number of DA clubs in NTX?  

1. 2 max
Run by US Soccer, not by the clubs

SickofStupidity wrote:

Big Ern wrote:

SickofStupidity wrote:

Zizou wrote:

KeeperCommander wrote:

Zizou wrote:

Na, they will have a DA2 that will make for easier movement to the top team.

Would make perfect sense if some of these DA2 teams could even compete in ECNL but they can’t so.......

The first year for these brand new ECNL teams for these clubs. In time they will build and grow the second level. Then ECNL teams might need to worry about be beat by a DA2 squad.

Please.

Please explain the difficulty these clubs faced?  If (as some have stated) generally all the best players went to play DA, then there was an open opportunity for the rest to play for any ECNL team.  Why would those clubs who offer the "next step above ECNL" not be able to recruit a large percentage of these players?  

Gotta agree with KC - superior players / athletes, superior coaches, superior development style, practice 4-days per week, daily mental and physical evaluation.

There may not be a need to win while playing GDA games, but you damn well better believe that the pressure will be on for all GDA finals.

I believe I've answered this question for SoSy awhile back, but here goes again ...

While I wouldn't say that the clubs in question faced adversity, I do think that many of those kids that did not make the GDA teams at FCD or Solar, think of themselves (or have parents that think of them) as players that should be playing on the 'top' team in their respective age group at a club.  Therefore, they may have gone to (or stayed with) the ECNL teams at Sting or D'Feeters.  It's likely a combination of this, plus a lack of depth of elite talent which exists at all of the bigs (GDA and ECNL) in NTX, that leads to lackluster '2nd' teams.

And I'd respectively disagree with your (and a few others) thoughts regarding 'the pressure is on" and 'the DIGC finals have to be all GDA or else'.  Pressure on who?  The kids?  Coaches?  C'mon now.  And (outside of KC) who is it that you all think would call GDA an "utter failure" if it's not an all GDA final?

So, what do you think is an appropriate number of DA clubs in NTX?  Have they watered down the product or overextended themselves with 3 NTX clubs?  I think an argument could be made that one of the best things to happen to GDA in NTX was Sting turning down the bid.

IMO, after all the GDA hype, and the claim by a few people that most of the top NTX talent landed on GDA teams, they are gonna look mighty foolish if they can't take their top talent, 4 practices a week, and development style and convert it into consistent wins against lesser talent practicing 2 days per week (excepting those teams that have shown themselves to be out of their league playing GDA).

Great question.

We are among the top markets in the country when in comes to depth of talent pool, but I (and most others I know) was hoping for 1-2 GDA clubs in NTX, so yes, I believe GDA is overextended here.  SoCal in my opinion is the only market that has the breadth of talent to support 3 GDA clubs.  

Agreed regarding Sting and I'm sorta pulling for Texans to go ECNL exclusive on the girl's side as well ... win-win.

Regarding the teams competing at DIGC --

I'm not sure I've heard of any ECNL teams training just twice per week, and outside of Texans, the only true GDA teams participating are the U14 FC Dallas and Solar aquads.  I confidently stand by my contention that those are the top two 04 teams in NTX (and the region for that matter).  I could be wrong because I haven't seen some of these teams (especially the internationals) but I just can't foresee anyone in this group besting them.

Big Ern wrote:

SickofStupidity wrote:

Big Ern wrote:

SickofStupidity wrote:

Zizou wrote:

KeeperCommander wrote:
Would make perfect sense if some of these DA2 teams could even compete in ECNL but they can’t so.......

The first year for these brand new ECNL teams for these clubs. In time they will build and grow the second level. Then ECNL teams might need to worry about be beat by a DA2 squad.

Please.

Please explain the difficulty these clubs faced?  If (as some have stated) generally all the best players went to play DA, then there was an open opportunity for the rest to play for any ECNL team.  Why would those clubs who offer the "next step above ECNL" not be able to recruit a large percentage of these players?  

Gotta agree with KC - superior players / athletes, superior coaches, superior development style, practice 4-days per week, daily mental and physical evaluation.

There may not be a need to win while playing GDA games, but you damn well better believe that the pressure will be on for all GDA finals.

I believe I've answered this question for SoSy awhile back, but here goes again ...

While I wouldn't say that the clubs in question faced adversity, I do think that many of those kids that did not make the GDA teams at FCD or Solar, think of themselves (or have parents that think of them) as players that should be playing on the 'top' team in their respective age group at a club.  Therefore, they may have gone to (or stayed with) the ECNL teams at Sting or D'Feeters.  It's likely a combination of this, plus a lack of depth of elite talent which exists at all of the bigs (GDA and ECNL) in NTX, that leads to lackluster '2nd' teams.

And I'd respectively disagree with your (and a few others) thoughts regarding 'the pressure is on" and 'the DIGC finals have to be all GDA or else'.  Pressure on who?  The kids?  Coaches?  C'mon now.  And (outside of KC) who is it that you all think would call GDA an "utter failure" if it's not an all GDA final?

So, what do you think is an appropriate number of DA clubs in NTX?  Have they watered down the product or overextended themselves with 3 NTX clubs?  I think an argument could be made that one of the best things to happen to GDA in NTX was Sting turning down the bid.

IMO, after all the GDA hype, and the claim by a few people that most of the top NTX talent landed on GDA teams, they are gonna look mighty foolish if they can't take their top talent, 4 practices a week, and development style and convert it into consistent wins against lesser talent practicing 2 days per week (excepting those teams that have shown themselves to be out of their league playing GDA).

Great question.

We are among the top markets in the country when in comes to depth of talent pool, but I (and most others I know) was hoping for 1-2 GDA clubs in NTX, so yes, I believe GDA is overextended here.  SoCal in my opinion is the only market that has the breadth of talent to support 3 GDA clubs.  

Agreed regarding Sting and I'm sorta pulling for Texans to go ECNL exclusive on the girl's side as well ... win-win.

Regarding the teams competing at DIGC --

I'm not sure I've heard of any ECNL teams training just twice per week, and outside of Texans, the only true GDA teams participating are the U14 FC Dallas and Solar aquads.  I confidently stand by my contention that those are the top two 04 teams in NTX (and the region for that matter).  I could be wrong because I haven't seen some of these teams (especially the internationals) but I just can't foresee anyone in this group besting them.

Texans going ecnl exclusive...don’t you think that would cause a negative reaction from the patrons? The club? The players?

How do you sell that back?
DA seems like it feels like an “accomplishment” as well as an “upgrade” and that’s not slighting ECNL, that’s just a perception I have of DA parents inner conscience.

That would help Solar and FCD though.

I doubt it.  They would still be playing on the 'top' team in the age group which (if we're being honest) is what the majority of the kids, and parents of the kids, at that level really care about.  

I think you could say that playing on the top team in your age group at a top club (most of the big 5 fall in this category) is a helluvan "accomplishment".  And you likely have the perception that the parents of DA players feel this way because it is generally true ... aside from the U18/19s (and U14 Texans) those kids do indeed play on the top teams within their respective age groups at their clubs.  This is especially an "accomplishment" at Solar and FC Dallas as those kids had a bit more comp to get through to win their roster spots.

Wouldn’t you think, THEY would think, my kid is on the Top Team in her age group at “A” top club in THE 2nd tier league?

Or in some kind of weird way you’re admitting DA/ECNL are “equal?”

BigE I think you’re being nice...not empathetic.
Your DD is damn well where she should be...couldn’t see it any other way so I know you can’t or couldn’t fathom it being any other way.

It’s all hypothetical though.

A few months until July...when, in between now and then, will solid, real deal news start to break? Surface?

AngelinaGoalee wrote:It’s all hypothetical though.

A few months until July...when, in between now and then, will solid, real deal news start to break? Surface?

If you're referring to whether or not Solar and FC Dallas axe ECNL (or vice versa), or whether or not Texans will hold onto GDA then sure ... I'd bet you have those answers well before July.

Big Ern wrote:

AngelinaGoalee wrote:It’s all hypothetical though.

A few months until July...when, in between now and then, will solid, real deal news start to break? Surface?

If you're referring to whether or not Solar and FC Dallas axe ECNL (or vice versa), or whether or not Texans will hold onto GDA then sure ... I'd bet you have those answers well before July.

yep

Good to see Bigdummy and Angelina Holee are in agreement. Just had to bring your DA silliness to a thread about nothing.

Foxysoccermom wrote:Good to see Bigdummy and Angelina Holee are in agreement.  Just had to bring your DA silliness to a thread about nothing.

I bet you smell like cigarettes.

Foxysoccermom wrote:Good to see Bigdummy and Angelina Holee are in agreement.  Just had to bring your DA silliness to a thread about nothing.

Afternoon Gentlemen --

Clearly this thread turned out to be about more than "nothing" ... Otherwise you wouldn't have heard from me.

And "dummy"?  Really?  What are we, a couple of kindeegartners?  I expect you to at least come in above MedMan ... you're better than that.

How bout you share with us all what you think is "silliness" that I wrote here ... cuz that'd be super.

And spot on AG!  That, and I can see him donning a black Iron Maiden t shirt.

LOL. You got me Big D. Tell us more about DA.

AngelinaGoalee wrote:

Foxysoccermom wrote:Good to see Bigdummy and Angelina Holee are in agreement.  Just had to bring your DA silliness to a thread about nothing.

I bet you smell like cigarettes.

I bet you smell like Big D's booty.

Foxysoccermom wrote:

AngelinaGoalee wrote:

Foxysoccermom wrote:Good to see Bigdummy and Angelina Holee are in agreement.  Just had to bring your DA silliness to a thread about nothing.

I bet you smell like cigarettes.

I bet you smell like Big D's booty.

Ok I quit. You win. Forreal. I bow out.
People like you touch their crouch and then sniff their hand afterwards. I can’t be playing the dozens with soldiers like you. You’re leagues beyond what I’m capable of which further let’s me know you don’t have a DD. You must be a ref. Lord please don’t let this guy actually be some kids parent.

Admit to this and I’ll close my account....

You’ve been arrested on Harry Hines before haven’t you? If not there, maybe a truck stop somewhere? Or maybe even kicked out of an Adult Video store? Please tell me I’m close!?

She has the smell of red wine and Marlboros.

AngelinaGoalee wrote:

Foxysoccermom wrote:

AngelinaGoalee wrote:

Foxysoccermom wrote:Good to see Bigdummy and Angelina Holee are in agreement.  Just had to bring your DA silliness to a thread about nothing.

I bet you smell like cigarettes.

I bet you smell like Big D's booty.

Ok I quit. You win. Forreal. I bow out.
People like you touch their crouch and then sniff their hand afterwards. I can’t be playing the dozens with soldiers like you. You’re leagues beyond what I’m capable of which further let’s me know you don’t have a DD. You must be a ref. Lord please don’t let this guy actually be some kids parent.

Admit to this and I’ll close my account....

You’ve been arrested on Harry Hines before haven’t you? If not there, maybe a truck stop somewhere? Or maybe even kicked out of an Adult Video store? Please tell me I’m close!?

Cmon now AGHO, You know Harry Hines is where you've always met your next soccer coach.

Another meaningless post.
This was pretty funny. I saw it on my FB feed.
I really hope it is Satire. LOL

Hang1053 wrote:Another meaningless post.
This was pretty funny. I saw it on my FB feed.
I really hope it is Satire. LOL

 

So they acknowledge that last year they experimented with JDL, which was unsuccessful.

Is it possible that the new JDL replacement league will adopt these new standards?

HA!

Big Ern wrote:

SickofStupidity wrote:

Zizou wrote:

KeeperCommander wrote:

Zizou wrote:

KeeperCommander wrote:
They should be

Na, they will have a DA2 that will make for easier movement to the top team.

Would make perfect sense if some of these DA2 teams could even compete in ECNL but they can’t so.......

The first year for these brand new ECNL teams for these clubs. In time they will build and grow the second level. Then ECNL teams might need to worry about be beat by a DA2 squad.

Please.

Please explain the difficulty these clubs faced?  If (as some have stated) generally all the best players went to play DA, then there was an open opportunity for the rest to play for any ECNL team.  Why would those clubs who offer the "next step above ECNL" not be able to recruit a large percentage of these players?  

Gotta agree with KC - superior players / athletes, superior coaches, superior development style, practice 4-days per week, daily mental and physical evaluation.

There may not be a need to win while playing GDA games, but you damn well better believe that the pressure will be on for all GDA finals.

I believe I've answered this question for SoSy awhile back, but here goes again ...

While I wouldn't say that the clubs in question faced adversity, I do think that many of those kids that did not make the GDA teams at FCD or Solar, think of themselves (or have parents that think of them) as players that should be playing on the 'top' team in their respective age group at a club.  Therefore, they may have gone to (or stayed with) the ECNL teams at Sting or D'Feeters.  It's likely a combination of this, plus a lack of depth of elite talent which exists at all of the bigs (GDA and ECNL) in NTX, that leads to lackluster '2nd' teams.

And I'd respectively disagree with your (and a few others) thoughts regarding 'the pressure is on" and 'the DIGC finals have to be all GDA or else'.  Pressure on who?  ClubsThe kids?  Coaches?  C'mon now.  And (outside of KC) who is it that you all think would call GDA an "utter failure" if it's not an all GDA final?Well um everyone

Let’s be honest, if at any point someone believed that DA was the epitome of excellence and then lost out to the lowly ECNL then yes it would have not fulfilled the promise it made to itself and others.  We also cant fool ourselves into thinking that all the DA teams will just magically lose and the “others” will reign supreme.  DA teams will probably take many of the divisions that they are representing.  Why? Because they do have a load of talent.

Understood KC --

However, I don't think that anyone (including those at USSDA) would assume that GDA is the epitome of excellence, nor would they consider the ECNL to be lowly.  There is much variance in the concentration of talent across the country ... some areas (SoCal, Chicago, NTX, etc) are GDA heavy, others (NoCal, Vegas, STX) etc) are ECNL heavy.  What has been consistent in the transition however, is that the traditional powerhouse/top performing clubs (FC Dallas, Solar, SoCal Blues, Slammers, MI Hawks, PDA, Crossfire, Eclipse, Real CO among others) in the ECNL over the years, are now GDA clubs.  And these same clubs are generally now the top performing in GDA ... the beat goes on.  

Regarding DIGC ... If you asked one of the USSDA officials, he or she likely wouldn't even know what it was, let alone that a couple GDA teams will be playing ECNL teams.  To say that everyone will think it'd be an utter failure if FC Dallas U14 weren't facing off with Solar U14 in the final, is silly.  I can tell you that CP and AG will just look at those matchups like they would've last year ... the best of Solar vs the best of Sting, or the best of FCD vs the best of Texans.  When the big picture is put into perspective, there are, and will always be, some ECNL teams that can beat some GDA teams.  

It just happens to be my opinion (based on recent history) that nationwide, the top talent in general is now playing in GDA -- that's all  

Big Ern wrote:Understood KC --

However, I don't think that anyone (including those at USSDA) would assume that GDA is the epitome of excellence, nor would they consider the ECNL to be lowly.  There is much variance in the concentration of talent across the country ... some areas (SoCal, Chicago, NTX, etc) are GDA heavy, others (NoCal, Vegas, STX) etc) are ECNL heavy.  What has been consistent in the transition however, is that the traditional powerhouse/top performing clubs (FC Dallas, Solar, SoCal Blues, Slammers, MI Hawks, PDA, Crossfire, Eclipse, Real CO among others) in the ECNL over the years, are now GDA clubs.  And these same clubs are generally now the top performing in GDA ... the beat goes on.  

Regarding DIGC ... If you asked one of the USSDA officials, he or she likely wouldn't even know what it was, let alone that a couple GDA teams will be playing ECNL teams.  To say that everyone will think it'd be an utter failure if FC Dallas U14 weren't facing off with Solar U14 in the final, is silly.  I can tell you that CP and AG will just look at those matchups like they would've last year ... the best of Solar vs the best of Sting, or the best of FCD vs the best of Texans.  When the big picture is put into perspective, there are, and will always be, some ECNL teams that can beat some GDA teams.  

It just happens to be my opinion (based on recent history) that nationwide, the top talent in general is now playing in GDA -- that's all  

It’s statements from you like this that get the people in an uproar!!

But they disregard all the valid points you make prior to that.
You can look at the ECNL current standings and results and see where the talent went.

It really shows that the Texans have a slight flaw in their system also...U14 DA and ECNL are underachieving. There is one coach in that club that creates a big ripple and I’m just amazed at the effect he actually has still.


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