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Post by soccerjack 24/07/14, 09:57 am

soccer chuck wrote:Apparently my mistake - too many rowdy coaches and parents to keep up with.

Hopefully, no coaches (or parents) get tossed this weekend - would hate for anyone to miss an exciting weekend of soccer!

That would be a good poll....Which Teams are most likely to have a parent ejected?

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Post by SickofStupidity 24/07/14, 02:10 pm

soccer chick wrote:this coach was not in trouble with refs - that came from the other maroon team whose coach got 2 warnings.  it did happen but wrong coach. was a heated game and coach got excited and ref settled him down.  was good after that.  


What's really unfortunate is the number of coaches and parents who can't control themselves at a 10-year-old's soccer game.  The fact that you can't keep up with the different offenders is really sad.

Jack is suggesting a poll on which team is likely to get a parent removed?  Really?

You would think the coaches would try to rein this behavior in, but it sounds like too many are offenders themselves!


I know of one coach this weekend involved in 2 incidents, in 2 separate games, on the same day!

- admonished by ref for teaching his players to play dirty

- run-in with opposing coach and then a parent who didn't appreciate the verbal insult thrown by the coach at his daughter (who was playing on the opposing team)


People claiming to have witnessed other incidents, audio, etc.

I know the environment can get intense, but what if the situation were reversed and this was how your daughter was acting?


 Evil or Very Mad

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Post by CBTeamworks 24/07/14, 02:12 pm

Curious what type of dirty play was coached?
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Post by soccerjack 24/07/14, 02:15 pm

SickofSilliness wrote:
soccer chick wrote:this coach was not in trouble with refs - that came from the other maroon team whose coach got 2 warnings.  it did happen but wrong coach. was a heated game and coach got excited and ref settled him down.  was good after that.  


What's really unfortunate is the number of coaches and parents who can't control themselves at a 10-year-old's soccer game.  The fact that you can't keep up with the different offenders is really sad.

Jack is suggesting a poll on which team is likely to get a parent removed?  Really?

You would think the coaches would try to rein this behavior in, but it sounds like too many are offenders themselves!


I know of one coach this weekend involved in 2 incidents, in 2 separate games, on the same day!

- admonished by ref for teaching his players to play dirty

- run-in with opposing coach and then a parent who didn't appreciate the verbal insult thrown by the coach at his daughter (who was playing on the opposing team)


People claiming to have witnessed other incidents, audio, etc.

I know the environment can get intense, but what if the situation were reversed and this was how your daughter was acting?


 Evil or Very Mad

So whats your pick?
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Post by soccer chick 24/07/14, 02:16 pm

i think we have to start somewhere - we each have gto be accountable and when we see others do it.....be respoinisble and not get drrawn in. i see it in every youth sport event i go to - triathlon, soccer, football, volleyball, swimming....interestingly not so at track though!

and if it is someone on your team - somone needs to tell them NOT COOL.
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Post by soccer chick 24/07/14, 02:17 pm

oh and we need to learn to look at what we are typing before we hit send it does not look like garbblety gook! sigh!!!!!
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Post by soccerjack 24/07/14, 02:26 pm

soccer chick wrote:i think we have to start somewhere - we each have gto be accountable and when we see others do it.....be respoinisble and not get drrawn in. i see it in every youth sport event i go to - triathlon, soccer, football, volleyball, swimming....interestingly not so at track though!

and if it is someone on your team - somone needs to tell them NOT COOL.    

Sounds like you're having a couple of cocktails....getting ready for a game tonight? lol drunken drunken 
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Post by SickofStupidity 24/07/14, 02:33 pm

soccer chick wrote:i think we have to start somewhere - we each have gto be accountable and when we see others do it.....be respoinisble and not get drrawn in. i see it in every youth sport event i go to - triathlon, soccer, football, volleyball, swimming....interestingly not so at track though!

and if it is someone on your team - somone needs to tell them NOT COOL.    


Are you suggesting personal responsibility?!?  Shocked   (a concept seriously lacking these days)

I agree on approaching obnoxious parents on your own team - don't we tell our kids to stand up to bullies or other kids who are mistrating their friends, or to say something to their friends if they are mistreating someone else?

What about when it is your coach?

What about parents of another team directing comments to your daughter?

Or the opposing coach?  towards your kid?

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Post by soccer cluck 24/07/14, 02:48 pm

I have never had anyone direct anything at my child and I dare them to - I would never stand for that. have seen a kid do something to her on the field and she gave a little push - nothing yellow card level but just to let them know she wasn't a pushover. she is pretty confident about what to do on the field. but she plays clean.

I have really only ever seen parents yelling at refs. I hope having an official ranking with set divisions help qualm some of this for the future. to me it seems to be the few teams that think they are top five (by the unofficial rankings we all love so much) get a little quirky with each other and the 20-40 teams who all think they should be d1. and I also think a lot of the talk is done on the boards and you can take that with a grain of salt 99% of the time.

come on people  Very Happy 
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Post by Guest 24/07/14, 03:08 pm

soccer cluck wrote:I have never had anyone direct anything at my child and I dare them to - I would never stand for that. have seen a kid do something to her on the field and she gave a little push - nothing yellow card level but just to let them know she wasn't a pushover.  she is pretty confident about what to do on the field.  but she plays clean.  

I have really only ever seen parents yelling at refs.  I hope having an official ranking with set divisions help qualm some of this for the future.  to me it seems to be the few teams that think they are top five (by the unofficial rankings we all love so much) get a little quirky with each other and the 20-40 teams who all think they should be d1. and I also think a lot of the talk is done on the boards and you can take that with a grain of salt 99% of the time.

come on people   Very Happy 

Reminds me of a saying, "I used to be a people person but then people ruined it for me"...   What a Face

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Post by ONLYASOCCERDAD 24/07/14, 03:51 pm

CBTeamworks wrote:Curious what type of dirty play was coached?

more curious what proof the ref had to support his OPINION LOL

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Post by 10sDad 24/07/14, 03:57 pm

Just so you know....
If an opposing team's parent(s) are yelling disparaging things at your player, the best thing to do is approach the linesman and let them know in an obviously non-threatening manner. They may not acknowledge you or your request immediately, but they will generally start listening for it. It is against the sideline rules for spectators to badger opposing players and you will get removed for doing so.

Had a situation once where the parents of an opposing team were saying racist comments toward our players (one of them mine)- I went up to the linesman, calmly let him know, then walked away and waited. A few minutes later, they did it again and the linesman started waving his flag...problem got solved pretty quickly and most importantly without me having to pop someone in the mouth.
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Post by MoGoSoccer 24/07/14, 04:01 pm

Just moved here and I am very impressed with the level of soccer these girls play. After reading through the majority of the posts I do have a few questions.

1) Why is RASE supposedly so much better than the rest of the teams?
2) How can the top 04 teams be ranked against each other when they hardly play each other?
3) Why is everyone crabbing that Spirit 04 got the #1 seed when they won their bracket at the qualifier for this tournament?
4) If RASE is so amazing why would you skip the qualifier?

No matter the rankings this entire pool of 04 girls is very talented.

Looking forward to a new town and a fun season. My daughter is thrilled to be involved with this great organization.
No she does not play for any of the top 10 teams according to the "rankings"

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Post by Peak_Performance_Dad 24/07/14, 04:11 pm

MoGoSoccer wrote:Just moved here and I am very impressed with the level of soccer these girls play. After reading through the majority of the posts I do have a few questions.

1) Why is RASE supposedly so much better than the rest of the teams?
2) How can the top 04 teams be ranked against each other when they hardly play each other?
3) Why is everyone crabbing that Spirit 04 got the #1 seed when they won their bracket at the qualifier for this tournament?
4) If RASE is so amazing why would you skip the qualifier?

No matter the rankings this entire pool of 04 girls is very talented.

Looking forward to a new town and a fun season. My daughter is thrilled to be involved with this great organization.
No she does not play for any of the top 10 teams according to the "rankings"

Welcome to North Texas. Despite the crazy heat, it is a great place to raise a family and provides a lot of opportunities for extra curriculars outside of school for the kids.

In a nutshell, the answer to all 4 of your questions is the following: RASE is probably the best team in Texas. My belief is that they are (btw, my DD plays for Odyssey). At the same time, as we have all seen, any team can be beat, which is why we play the game. Spirit is a great team, easily a top team as well. The reality is that RASE (now LP Elite) is not skipping the qualifier, which is this weekend. The did skip the last few weeks of 'warm up' or 'seeding' tournaments because their coach probably thought it would add little value to their development. As a parent of a girl on another 04 team, I would have loved to have seen them play, although I completely understand why they didn't.

Feel free to drop by and watch RASE and Spirit play in their respective games - you will see two awesome teams and will probably leave with a belief that RASE is the best team in the 04s (although not unbeatable if the stars align) Smile

Good luck to everyone's DDs this weekend - it will be hot. Remember, shouting and yelling has never been scientifically proven to improve a player's performance, so why waste the energy. The added stress often hinders a players focus, which in turn often negatively impacts their play. Be encouraging and make sure your DDs have fun playing hard and improving. Lots of good teams out there!
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Post by go99 24/07/14, 04:24 pm

MoGoSoccer wrote:Just moved here and I am very impressed with the level of soccer these girls play. After reading through the majority of the posts I do have a few questions.

1) Why is RASE supposedly so much better than the rest of the teams?
2) How can the top 04 teams be ranked against each other when they hardly play each other?
3) Why is everyone crabbing that Spirit 04 got the #1 seed when they won their bracket at the qualifier for this tournament?
4) If RASE is so amazing why would you skip the qualifier?

No matter the rankings this entire pool of 04 girls is very talented.

Looking forward to a new town and a fun season. My daughter is thrilled to be involved with this great organization.
No she does not play for any of the top 10 teams according to the "rankings"

If you just moved here how do you know who and what RASE has played? How do you know enough about the team to question what they have or have not achieved? I get it you think Spirit should have the number 1 seed (and they do) but why make a post about absolutely nothing. But the king tut was not a qualifier for the tournament, $800+ is. As for why RASE didn't play it (they weren't the only ones) RASE would have been seeded number 1 or number 2 so the highest ranked team you play is 25th or 26th. So a better question is why would RASE parents spend the several hundred to play the king tut when doing so would have little impact on their seeding which we actually care very little about anyway. I get that you are new here, standing in a long line of people waiting for RASE to take a fall. Spirit may feel they are next up to take a shot and who knows maybe it will go a little better for them than it did the last time they were up to take a shot.

So for a new person in town you certianly have one thing down already. How to take a annonymous shot a RASE while trying to make it look like an innocent inquiry. And if your dd can make it into D1 you will get a chance to find out why RASE isn't supposedly anything they have worked very hard to be where they are.
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Post by Mandalorian 24/07/14, 04:33 pm

Go- You having a bad day bro?
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Post by Guest 24/07/14, 04:36 pm

go99 wrote:
MoGoSoccer wrote:Just moved here and I am very impressed with the level of soccer these girls play. After reading through the majority of the posts I do have a few questions.

1) Why is RASE supposedly so much better than the rest of the teams?
2) How can the top 04 teams be ranked against each other when they hardly play each other?
3) Why is everyone crabbing that Spirit 04 got the #1 seed when they won their bracket at the qualifier for this tournament?
4) If RASE is so amazing why would you skip the qualifier?

No matter the rankings this entire pool of 04 girls is very talented.

Looking forward to a new town and a fun season. My daughter is thrilled to be involved with this great organization.
No she does not play for any of the top 10 teams according to the "rankings"

If you just moved here how do you know who and what RASE has played?  How do you know enough about the team to question what they have or have not achieved?  I get it you think Spirit should have the number 1 seed (and they do) but why make a post about absolutely nothing.  But the king tut was not a qualifier for the tournament, $800+ is.  As for why RASE didn't play it (they weren't the only ones) RASE would have been seeded number 1 or number 2 so the highest ranked team you play is 25th or 26th.  So a better question is why would RASE parents spend the several hundred to play the king tut when doing so would have little impact on their seeding which we actually care very little about anyway.  I get that you are new here, standing in a long line of people waiting for RASE to take a fall.  Spirit may feel they are next up to take a shot and who knows maybe it will go a little better for them than it did the last time they were up to take a shot.

So for a new person in town you certianly have one thing down already.  How to take  a annonymous shot a RASE while trying to make it look like an innocent inquiry.  And if your dd can make it into D1 you will get a chance to find out why RASE isn't supposedly anything they have worked very hard to be where they are.

Geez GO, you need to go back and read through the posts, if I was new to this thread I think those questions would be relatively good ones...  of course, why I would post them on a forum that is directly aimed at pitting parents against each other is beyond me.  Seems to me, ANY team in the Top 10 is open season depending on who's asking.  Looks to me like someone has their feathers all in a ruffle or is it just because someone came on here with a new handle and by golly, it has to be someone poking and prodding at RASE again.  Skin is getting a little thin these days...  buck up camper, contracts are signed so now the "happy parent" time begins where we just sit down and snack on our popcorn while our 10 year olds get to play the game "they worked so hard for" since birth AND we continue to hope that when they're 14 and much of this idle commentary really DOES matter, that they are still playing that game they "worked so hard for".


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Post by MoGoSoccer 24/07/14, 04:36 pm

That did not take long to get attacked. Thanks to peak Performance Dad for the classy answer and support. As for go99. Going to watch the RASE team this weekend. I know enough about who has played what by reading through the posts. I don't care if you fall or rise. From the sounds of things your RASE will never loose. You say you don't care about the seeding but it sure seems to be a problem. That is a mighty ego you have for a team you don't even play on. You are a spectator. I am sure the RASE team is a good soccer team from what I have read. Apparently this is what you live for so good luck with that. "Keep pluckin' that chicken"

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Post by SickofStupidity 24/07/14, 04:39 pm

I don't know what the coach said, but clearly something that spurred the ref to give him a lecture. Not saying it was right - if she had a problem with a player, she should call a foul or give a card.

The coach has been heard before telling his players to push the opposing players down.  Hey, soccer is a contact sport, and shoving kids down isn't appropriate.  But if there is a foul, she should call it as such, and pull a card if necessary.

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Post by go99 24/07/14, 04:40 pm

no not at all. Just calling out the shots against RASE by the new person  Rolling Eyes  to the area.
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Post by $occerF@n 24/07/14, 04:48 pm

Someone is a bit sensitive today...

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Post by go99 24/07/14, 04:50 pm

it was a simple post taking a shot at rase and nothing more. Could have easily asked the same type of questions without the poke although not sure why you would without the supposedly better and the IF they are so great.
Ex.
1. Why does everyone think RASE is so much better?
2. Why did RASE not play the king tut?

See exact same question done without the jab so either the poster doesn't have a good grasp of the enlish language and it was intirely unintentional or he has a VERY good grasp of it.

So I will ask this question, Why do you care so much about RASE and whether they are good or not and what tournament they played or didn't? Why do you not have that same interest in say DTS?
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Post by soccerjack 24/07/14, 04:51 pm

MoGoSoccer wrote:That did not take long to get attacked. Thanks to peak Performance Dad for the classy answer and support. As for go99. Going to watch the RASE team this weekend. I know enough about who has played what by reading through the posts. I don't care if you fall or rise. From the sounds of things your RASE will never loose. You say you don't care about the seeding but it sure seems to be a problem. That is a mighty ego you have for a team you don't even play on. You are a spectator. I am sure the RASE team is a good soccer team from what I have read. Apparently this is what you live for so good luck with that. "Keep pluckin' that chicken"

Mogo meet go. Lol

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Post by Guest 24/07/14, 04:56 pm

MoGoSoccer wrote:Just moved here and I am very impressed with the level of soccer these girls play. After reading through the majority of the posts I do have a few questions.

1) Why is RASE supposedly so much better than the rest of the teams?
Go watch them play and you will see for yourself. As for how the team came together and managed to become better than the rest of the pack... I am not the person to comment on that, and will leave that for others to inform/debate.
2) How can the top 04 teams be ranked against each other when they hardly play each other?
For the most part, they have been playing against each other for the past couple of years, and I've been tracking the game results. Another overinvolved parent and myself developed a mathematical "ranking" system back when our '01 DD's were going trough academy. The system is based on game results and is meant to give a general overview about the relative competitive strength of teams in the age group. Of course, the forum fanatics love to take it to the extreme and get into heated debate when one team shows up being ranked a spot or two above another. I have carried the system through each year since the '01's as kind of a hobby, and the system has actually proven itself to be pretty accurate at predicting which teams end up qualifying for LHGCL at U11. If you would like, I can send you the full details about how the system is set up and works.
3) Why is everyone crabbing that Spirit 04 got the #1 seed when they won their bracket at the qualifier for this tournament?
Because RASE hasn't lost to another NTX '04 girls team in roughly 2 years, maybe longer, including Tx. Spirit. However, RASE has only played a total of 4 league/tournament games against '04 girls teams in the past year, as they have been off challenging themselves against the boys. The ranking system is what it is, and with the limited # of games RASE has played, and the relatively weaker competition they played in those games, the math happened to favor Tx. Spirit in this instance. Now, why the LHGCL QT seeding committee decided to seed Tx. Spirit higher than RASE in the QT is a question only they can answer. Neither I, nor my rankings, have any connection to LHGCL (but that doesn't mean they aren't looking at them and using them as part of their seeding discussions).
4) If RASE is so amazing why would you skip the qualifier?
They aren't skipping the qualifier, they skipped the pre-qualifier tournaments where LHGCL sends it's seeding committee reps to observe the teams first hand in advance of seeding the qualifier. You'd have to ask the coach for his reasoning, but my guess is that he saw no inherent purpose or benefit to having his team play in those tournaments, and felt he did not need to use those games to properly prepare the team for the QT. Who knows... maybe the RASE coach watched "Miracle" and realized that one of the biggest tactical mistakes the 1980 Soviet Olympic Hockey team made was agreeing to play the US Olympic team in a tune-up game 2 weeks before the Olympics started. Sure the Soviets won 10-3, but that allowed the US team to get over the shock-and-awe of playing the Soviets.

No matter the rankings this entire pool of 04 girls is very talented.

Looking forward to a new town and a fun season. My daughter is thrilled to be involved with this great organization.
No she does not play for any of the top 10 teams according to the "rankings"

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Post by go99 24/07/14, 04:58 pm

Lol this is apparently what I live for but he comes here and combs thru the treads to find out who played in what in the past. See I won't sneak in a jab at a team and everything I say you know exactly where it came from and I have no problem admitting I can just be an Ahole.
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Post by MoGoSoccer 24/07/14, 05:12 pm

go99 wrote:it was a simple post taking a shot at rase and nothing more.  Could have easily asked the same type of questions without the poke although not sure why you would without the supposedly better and the IF they are so great.  
Ex.
1.   Why does everyone think RASE is so much better?
2.   Why did RASE not play the king tut?

See exact same question done without the jab so either the poster doesn't have a good grasp of the enlish language and it was intirely unintentional or he has a VERY good grasp of it.

So I will ask this question, Why do you care so much about RASE and whether they are good or not and what tournament they played or didn't?  Why do you not have that same interest in say DTS?

WOW! Had no idea it was this intense. Thank you for calling me out for my use of the English language. Last time my 04 spelled entirely it was with an "E". No the I and E keys are not close together. The RASE topic was a constant on this forum so that is why I asked. Sorry I waded in your waters and did not ask the questions to your liking. I do not care about RASE or Spirit. Only care about the team my daughter plays for. Just trying to understand the repeated topic.

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