02 Week 4 Rankings

tmcc wrote:Probably should take Fever Red out as well for using Mr. Messi.

Here is a radical idea, why don't we just disolve the 02's all together. Sounds like the 03's are pretty strong and all 02 parents know that the 01 teams are just sooooooo much deeper than the 02's. So stricly for ranking purposes, because 01's and 03's have it mathmatically and scientifically figured out, the 02's should just join the 03's or the 01's. Stay with your team of course. We want to support the great 02 coaches. But it's your choice for the Spring season, play up or play down. Then at the end of Spring, teams either get moved up to the 01 division or moved down to the 03 division based on their ranking. And I say let the kids (parents) play with whomever they want. Just an absolute, no loyalty free for all.

Oh wait, there is that QT thing for 01's. What about the 04's. Think the 02's are strong enough to compete with that group? Hey if some of the 03's can presumabely beat some of the 01 teams, why couldn't some 04's take down some 02's.

We can start our own league and call it The Over 7 But Under 10 League of Mass Destruction. 04's are in charge of hair bows for the entire league, 03's are responsible for collecting all scores and computing the scores into rankings, and the 02's are in charge of snacks after the game.

No referees needed. They haven't called a foul all season anyway.

happygilmore wrote:

tmcc wrote:Probably should take Fever Red out as well for using Mr. Messi.

Here is a radical idea, why don't we just disolve the 02's all together. Sounds like the 03's are pretty strong and all 02 parents know that the 01 teams are just sooooooo much deeper than the 02's. So stricly for ranking purposes, because 01's and 03's have it mathmatically and scientifically figured out, the 02's should just join the 03's or the 01's. Stay with your team of course. We want to support the great 02 coaches. But it's your choice for the Spring season, play up or play down. Then at the end of Spring, teams either get moved up to the 01 division or moved down to the 03 division based on their ranking. And I say let the kids (parents) play with whomever they want. Just an absolute, no loyalty free for all.

Oh wait, there is that QT thing for 01's. What about the 04's. Think the 02's are strong enough to compete with that group? Hey if some of the 03's can presumabely beat some of the 01 teams, why couldn't some 04's take down some 02's.

We can start our own league and call it The Over 7 But Under 10 League of Mass Destruction. 04's are in charge of hair bows for the entire league, 03's are responsible for collecting all scores and computing the scores into rankings, and the 02's are in charge of snacks after the game.

No referees needed. They haven't called a foul all season anyway.

Sounds great let the 03 take it all, they have the only parents that are concerned with rankings! But after reading the 04 posts I'm a bit scared for our little 02's to play the 04 DT South. They push, and possibly have parents that cuss!THAT SCARES ME!

redcard99 wrote:Hippie Chick you must not watch much U-9 soccer. Of course two can make a huge diffrence. One of them is the greatest goal scorer in the league. Did Messi matter much to Barcelona yesterday? Im with 1v1 this horse has had the hell beat out of it. If you dont get it you never will. No more ranking for me geeeeez.

Blitzed wrote:

redcard99 wrote:Hippie Chick you must not watch much U-9 soccer. Of course two can make a huge diffrence. One of them is the greatest goal scorer in the league. Did Messi matter much to Barcelona yesterday? Im with 1v1 this horse has had the hell beat out of it. If you dont get it you never will. No more ranking for me geeeeez.

I think FCD does have the greatest goal scorer in the league but I have never seen her play on Stav's team. I think you have your players mixed up.

By the way, is this your first dd going through Academy?

Hippie Chick wrote:

Blitzed wrote:

redcard99 wrote:Hippie Chick you must not watch much U-9 soccer. Of course two can make a huge diffrence. One of them is the greatest goal scorer in the league. Did Messi matter much to Barcelona yesterday? Im with 1v1 this horse has had the hell beat out of it. If you dont get it you never will. No more ranking for me geeeeez.

I think FCD does have the greatest goal scorer in the league but I have never seen her play on Stav's team. I think you have your players mixed up.

By the way, is this your first dd going through Academy?

My team played against FCD in D-II a year ago. They had a girl who scored all their goals...is this the girl you are referring to?

bobmac15 wrote:Ok I'm a little late to chime in on multiple posts. I had to work all day and posting on the forum isn't my day job, which i think it may be for a few of you (doubleDD?? ).

Yes, fever is sharing players this season, but i think we all know why and they may deserve a grace period. After signing up for 11 v 11 three players left so they borrow from an in-house team. I would hate to see them left out as they were inching toward the top with all redcards disqualifications.

No, don't scrap the rankings. I don't care about the numbers or the unfair "help" some teams are getting. What else is going to get the chatter going? I mean we are not really going to sink to constructive discussions about soccer and positive youth development are we? Boring.

tmcc wrote:The Fever situation is a little different. First off two of the Texan girls were gone weeks before our league started. The plan was to play league with only 11 or 12, whatever it was that we had at that time. The two girls Red uses from the white team, came over from Solar Murin when that team folded. Kind of like divine intervention. The man upstairs knew we needed some help. However, there were more than 2 girls that came over from Solar and the coaching staff wanted to keep those players together to make the transition easier for the Solar girls and parents. We all know how uncomfortable it can be to change teams. So, they went to white which by the way is coached by Penn and plays in a different league. I think that is where the ethical difference is. Fever uses their own girls which are coached by the same coach. The only thing Fever is guilty of is providing these girls a place to play when Solar pulled the rug out from underneath them.

We are not stacking for wins like some other teams do.

Blitzed wrote:

tmcc wrote:The Fever situation is a little different. First off two of the Texan girls were gone weeks before our league started. The plan was to play league with only 11 or 12, whatever it was that we had at that time. The two girls Red uses from the white team, came over from Solar Murin when that team folded. Kind of like divine intervention. The man upstairs knew we needed some help. However, there were more than 2 girls that came over from Solar and the coaching staff wanted to keep those players together to make the transition easier for the Solar girls and parents. We all know how uncomfortable it can be to change teams. So, they went to white which by the way is coached by Penn and plays in a different league. I think that is where the ethical difference is. Fever uses their own girls which are coached by the same coach. The only thing Fever is guilty of is providing these girls a place to play when Solar pulled the rug out from underneath them.

We are not stacking for wins like some other teams do.

So how does a team go about "stacking for wins"? Do they get to scout all the other teams and pick whoever they want? Is that how it works?

The reality is that academy is supposed to be a time where you are free to look around and try to find a good match for your daughter before she comes of select age and has to sign a 1 year contract. Some parents have their daughter practice and play with multiple teams in order to speed up development or to find a team that is a good fit. Others choose to only play with one team at a time. This is a decision made by the parents. The coaches and teams aren't holding an 02 draft to force these players to play for them.

I really don't see what the big deal is. Parents should have the right to take full advantage of the academy period if they so choose. I also wouldn't expect a coach to turn away a top player who wants to check out his/her team either. The only disadvantage to the practice of allowing players to play on multiple teams that I can see is that it screws up the ever so important 02 girls rankings.

tmcc wrote:My point of concern is not the rankings, its the fact that there are girls that practice with Team A, work hard, prepare for the game, get excited for the game.....and then Super Star off of Team B comes in and plays in the game when Team A could be using their own players.

I understand the point that this is academy and parents are free to do whatever they want with their daughters. If a coach asks you to come guest play, its because you will help the team more than likely win. Do you think that coach would let your daughter play if she was horrible? So parents may be doing it to help their daughters get more touches, but coaches do it to win. Do not be fooled.

I still think if you are going to guest, you should first go to that teams practice and you should never guest in the same league you are already playing in.

tmcc wrote:My point of concern is not the rankings, its the fact that there are girls that practice with Team A, work hard, prepare for the game, get excited for the game.....and then Super Star off of Team B comes in and plays in the game when Team A could be using their own players.

I understand the point that this is academy and parents are free to do whatever they want with their daughters. If a coach asks you to come guest play, its because you will help the team more than likely win. Do you think that coach would let your daughter play if she was horrible? So parents may be doing it to help their daughters get more touches, but coaches do it to win. Do not be fooled.

I still think if you are going to guest, you should first go to that teams practice and you should never guest in the same league you are already playing in.

happygilmore wrote:

tmcc wrote:My point of concern is not the rankings, its the fact that there are girls that practice with Team A, work hard, prepare for the game, get excited for the game.....and then Super Star off of Team B comes in and plays in the game when Team A could be using their own players.

I understand the point that this is academy and parents are free to do whatever they want with their daughters. If a coach asks you to come guest play, its because you will help the team more than likely win. Do you think that coach would let your daughter play if she was horrible? So parents may be doing it to help their daughters get more touches, but coaches do it to win. Do not be fooled.

I still think if you are going to guest, you should first go to that teams practice and you should never guest in the same league you are already playing in.

I agree coaches should stick with developing THEIR team (girls who pay to play and girls who come to practice eachw week). Most of the time guest players do not pay or practice with the team and this causes ill feelings and it is not good overall for the team morale. If you simply don't have enough girls to play and need help fielding a team, that is a different situation, but just adding girls to win while girls who come to every practice ride the bench is not right. This happens frequently with several different coaches-parents should do their homework and not play for these coaches -if they have a problem with guest playing. Guest playing (most of the time) is just a huge recruitment tactic, parents feel great bc their dd is getting some recognition. The coach would simply like their business full time. All part of the game.

tmcc wrote:

happygilmore wrote:

tmcc wrote:My point of concern is not the rankings, its the fact that there are girls that practice with Team A, work hard, prepare for the game, get excited for the game.....and then Super Star off of Team B comes in and plays in the game when Team A could be using their own players.

I understand the point that this is academy and parents are free to do whatever they want with their daughters. If a coach asks you to come guest play, its because you will help the team more than likely win. Do you think that coach would let your daughter play if she was horrible? So parents may be doing it to help their daughters get more touches, but coaches do it to win. Do not be fooled.

I still think if you are going to guest, you should first go to that teams practice and you should never guest in the same league you are already playing in.

I agree coaches should stick with developing THEIR team (girls who pay to play and girls who come to practice eachw week). Most of the time guest players do not pay or practice with the team and this causes ill feelings and it is not good overall for the team morale. If you simply don't have enough girls to play and need help fielding a team, that is a different situation, but just adding girls to win while girls who come to every practice ride the bench is not right. This happens frequently with several different coaches-parents should do their homework and not play for these coaches -if they have a problem with guest playing. Guest playing (most of the time) is just a huge recruitment tactic, parents feel great bc their dd is getting some recognition. The coach would simply like their business full time. All part of the game.

Thank you Happy. Finally someone gets it.

Blitzed, put your feelings of pride aside, and imagine what the 9 year old girl feels like when she has to sit on the bench because a girl she has never seen before is now playing instead of her...and to borrow your words, in a 9 year old game that is so unimportant. I will take it even one step further. Let's say you buy tickets to go see the Rangers this season....right behind home plate, 4 rows back. You can smell the pine tar from your seats. Then about the 3rd inning, the usher comes down and tells you that you have to move because Jerry Jones and his family would like your seats. So the usher redirects to the nose bleed section and not only does he not care that you just got screwed, but he expects you to be fine with it.

This happens every week with some teams. Paying customers of academy soccer get Jerry Jones'ed every weekend. If you are concerned that your daughter is playing for the wrong team, go to another teams practice...not a game!

turftoe9 wrote:

tmcc wrote:

happygilmore wrote:

tmcc wrote:My point of concern is not the rankings, its the fact that there are girls that practice with Team A, work hard, prepare for the game, get excited for the game.....and then Super Star off of Team B comes in and plays in the game when Team A could be using their own players.

I understand the point that this is academy and parents are free to do whatever they want with their daughters. If a coach asks you to come guest play, its because you will help the team more than likely win. Do you think that coach would let your daughter play if she was horrible? So parents may be doing it to help their daughters get more touches, but coaches do it to win. Do not be fooled.

I still think if you are going to guest, you should first go to that teams practice and you should never guest in the same league you are already playing in.

I agree coaches should stick with developing THEIR team (girls who pay to play and girls who come to practice eachw week). Most of the time guest players do not pay or practice with the team and this causes ill feelings and it is not good overall for the team morale. If you simply don't have enough girls to play and need help fielding a team, that is a different situation, but just adding girls to win while girls who come to every practice ride the bench is not right. This happens frequently with several different coaches-parents should do their homework and not play for these coaches -if they have a problem with guest playing. Guest playing (most of the time) is just a huge recruitment tactic, parents feel great bc their dd is getting some recognition. The coach would simply like their business full time. All part of the game.

Thank you Happy. Finally someone gets it.

Blitzed, put your feelings of pride aside, and imagine what the 9 year old girl feels like when she has to sit on the bench because a girl she has never seen before is now playing instead of her...and to borrow your words, in a 9 year old game that is so unimportant. I will take it even one step further. Let's say you buy tickets to go see the Rangers this season....right behind home plate, 4 rows back. You can smell the pine tar from your seats. Then about the 3rd inning, the usher comes down and tells you that you have to move because Jerry Jones and his family would like your seats. So the usher redirects to the nose bleed section and not only does he not care that you just got screwed, but he expects you to be fine with it.

This happens every week with some teams. Paying customers of academy soccer get Jerry Jones'ed every weekend. If you are concerned that your daughter is playing for the wrong team, go to another teams practice...not a game!

If you have a challenge with the coach allowing guest players to come play with your team, then go to the coach. The players and parents have not done anything wrong, they are just do what your coach is allowing them to do.

turftoe9 wrote:

tmcc wrote:

happygilmore wrote:

tmcc wrote:My point of concern is not the rankings, its the fact that there are girls that practice with Team A, work hard, prepare for the game, get excited for the game.....and then Super Star off of Team B comes in and plays in the game when Team A could be using their own players.

I understand the point that this is academy and parents are free to do whatever they want with their daughters. If a coach asks you to come guest play, its because you will help the team more than likely win. Do you think that coach would let your daughter play if she was horrible? So parents may be doing it to help their daughters get more touches, but coaches do it to win. Do not be fooled.

I still think if you are going to guest, you should first go to that teams practice and you should never guest in the same league you are already playing in.

I agree coaches should stick with developing THEIR team (girls who pay to play and girls who come to practice eachw week). Most of the time guest players do not pay or practice with the team and this causes ill feelings and it is not good overall for the team morale. If you simply don't have enough girls to play and need help fielding a team, that is a different situation, but just adding girls to win while girls who come to every practice ride the bench is not right. This happens frequently with several different coaches-parents should do their homework and not play for these coaches -if they have a problem with guest playing. Guest playing (most of the time) is just a huge recruitment tactic, parents feel great bc their dd is getting some recognition. The coach would simply like their business full time. All part of the game.

Thank you Happy. Finally someone gets it.

Blitzed, put your feelings of pride aside, and imagine what the 9 year old girl feels like when she has to sit on the bench because a girl she has never seen before is now playing instead of her...and to borrow your words, in a 9 year old game that is so unimportant. I will take it even one step further. Let's say you buy tickets to go see the Rangers this season....right behind home plate, 4 rows back. You can smell the pine tar from your seats. Then about the 3rd inning, the usher comes down and tells you that you have to move because Jerry Jones and his family would like your seats. So the usher redirects to the nose bleed section and not only does he not care that you just got screwed, but he expects you to be fine with it.

This happens every week with some teams. Paying customers of academy soccer get Jerry Jones'ed every weekend. If you are concerned that your daughter is playing for the wrong team, go to another teams practice...not a game!

If you have a challenge with the coach allowing guest players to come play with your team, then go to the coach. The players and parents have not done anything wrong, they are just do what your coach is allowing them to do.

turftoe9 wrote:

tmcc wrote:

happygilmore wrote:

tmcc wrote:My point of concern is not the rankings, its the fact that there are girls that practice with Team A, work hard, prepare for the game, get excited for the game.....and then Super Star off of Team B comes in and plays in the game when Team A could be using their own players.

I understand the point that this is academy and parents are free to do whatever they want with their daughters. If a coach asks you to come guest play, its because you will help the team more than likely win. Do you think that coach would let your daughter play if she was horrible? So parents may be doing it to help their daughters get more touches, but coaches do it to win. Do not be fooled.

I still think if you are going to guest, you should first go to that teams practice and you should never guest in the same league you are already playing in.

I agree coaches should stick with developing THEIR team (girls who pay to play and girls who come to practice eachw week). Most of the time guest players do not pay or practice with the team and this causes ill feelings and it is not good overall for the team morale. If you simply don't have enough girls to play and need help fielding a team, that is a different situation, but just adding girls to win while girls who come to every practice ride the bench is not right. This happens frequently with several different coaches-parents should do their homework and not play for these coaches -if they have a problem with guest playing. Guest playing (most of the time) is just a huge recruitment tactic, parents feel great bc their dd is getting some recognition. The coach would simply like their business full time. All part of the game.

Thank you Happy. Finally someone gets it.

Blitzed, put your feelings of pride aside, and imagine what the 9 year old girl feels like when she has to sit on the bench because a girl she has never seen before is now playing instead of her...and to borrow your words, in a 9 year old game that is so unimportant. I will take it even one step further. Let's say you buy tickets to go see the Rangers this season....right behind home plate, 4 rows back. You can smell the pine tar from your seats. Then about the 3rd inning, the usher comes down and tells you that you have to move because Jerry Jones and his family would like your seats. So the usher redirects to the nose bleed section and not only does he not care that you just got screwed, but he expects you to be fine with it.

This happens every week with some teams. Paying customers of academy soccer get Jerry Jones'ed every weekend. If you are concerned that your daughter is playing for the wrong team, go to another teams practice...not a game!

If you have a challenge with the coach allowing guest players to come play with your team, then go to the coach. The players and parents have not done anything wrong, they are just do what your coach is allowing them to do.

happygilmore wrote:Also every kid develops at different rates. Think....... Michael Jordan not making his Jr. High basketball team. A coach could be sitting a reg. player in exchange for a better (at the time) guest player, the player sitting the bench may just needs her extra touches on the ball, experience and confidence in order to become a great player and big contibuter to the team. Most of the top players now will still be top players in 5 years, but you'll also have some some avg players now rise to become top players with the right coach, team and support system.

tmcc wrote:

happygilmore wrote:

tmcc wrote:My point of concern is not the rankings, its the fact that there are girls that practice with Team A, work hard, prepare for the game, get excited for the game.....and then Super Star off of Team B comes in and plays in the game when Team A could be using their own players.

I understand the point that this is academy and parents are free to do whatever they want with their daughters. If a coach asks you to come guest play, its because you will help the team more than likely win. Do you think that coach would let your daughter play if she was horrible? So parents may be doing it to help their daughters get more touches, but coaches do it to win. Do not be fooled.

I still think if you are going to guest, you should first go to that teams practice and you should never guest in the same league you are already playing in.

I agree coaches should stick with developing THEIR team (girls who pay to play and girls who come to practice eachw week). Most of the time guest players do not pay or practice with the team and this causes ill feelings and it is not good overall for the team morale. If you simply don't have enough girls to play and need help fielding a team, that is a different situation, but just adding girls to win while girls who come to every practice ride the bench is not right. This happens frequently with several different coaches-parents should do their homework and not play for these coaches -if they have a problem with guest playing. Guest playing (most of the time) is just a huge recruitment tactic, parents feel great bc their dd is getting some recognition. The coach would simply like their business full time. All part of the game.

Thank you Happy. Finally someone gets it.

Blitzed, put your feelings of pride aside, and imagine what the 9 year old girl feels like when she has to sit on the bench because a girl she has never seen before is now playing instead of her...and to borrow your words, in a 9 year old game that is so unimportant. I will take it even one step further. Let's say you buy tickets to go see the Rangers this season....right behind home plate, 4 rows back. You can smell the pine tar from your seats. Then about the 3rd inning, the usher comes down and tells you that you have to move because Jerry Jones and his family would like your seats. So the usher redirects to the nose bleed section and not only does he not care that you just got screwed, but he expects you to be fine with it.

This happens every week with some teams. Paying customers of academy soccer get Jerry Jones'ed every weekend. If you are concerned that your daughter is playing for the wrong team, go to another teams practice...not a game!