Re: Prime Cup Results 11v11

by soccerA 15/05/11, 06:22 pm

soccerA wrote:
wxyz wrote:
soccerA wrote:
wxyz wrote:
Wouldn't expect anything less from Kat or DM! Nothing has changed in 5 years--Kat, always respectful of the girls, DM, well, he can't help himself!

I was at the game and time actually ran out and a handball was called in the box about a minute after time ran out.Webb02 actually dominated the entire game. I witnessed the 2 young superstars on Webb's team miss their shots because they were so upset. Primetime officials and even some of parents agreed the call was terrible, but that's the game. After watching that game I realized that there iss no mystery regarding the rowdies. Kat's team is really a step above, but the referee made a game changing call with no time on the clock. What a way to determine a winner after such a dominating game.

I did not watch the game but those are pretty strong statements. Any Rowdies parents want to respond?

Doubt that they would admit this on this forum, if the ones that made the statements are on this forum. Not a strong statement though, but a strong opinion.

Congrats to FCD! I understand they beat Rowdies.....

by SdadX2 15/05/11, 07:20 pm

wxyz wrote:
soccerA wrote:
wxyz wrote:
Wouldn't expect anything less from Kat or DM! Nothing has changed in 5 years--Kat, always respectful of the girls, DM, well, he can't help himself!

I was at the game and time actually ran out and a handball was called in the box about a minute after time ran out.Webb02 actually dominated the entire game. I witnessed the 2 young superstars on Webb's team miss their shots because they were so upset. Primetime officials and even some of parents agreed the call was terrible, but that's the game. After watching that game I realized that there iss no mystery regarding the rowdies. Kat's team is really a step above, but the referee made a game changing call with no time on the clock. What a way to determine a winner after such a dominating game.

I did not watch the game but those are pretty strong statements. Any Rowdies parents want to respond?

. This was a hard fought game by both teams. When each team had the wind behind their backs, they seem to dominate possession. IMO, SRSA more scoring chances including 2 balls that were cleared off the goal line by the 2nd Rowdies goalie, the sweeper. She camped inside the 6, which turned out to be a good strategy. On the game changing call, by my watch, the 2nd corner kick was awarded at 31:25 in the second 1/2. The handball happened just about at 32 minutes. On the "handball" the RA who was on the side of the call told the HR, the ball hit the players back. What doesn't matter now and is interesting, PT said there is no additional time given, yet the red said after the game, games are not stop watch time and at his discretion. I couldn't tell if it was a handball or not from my POF, so i eill only comment on what the RA and others said. All that said, SRSA should have made more of their opportunities in the 1st 1/2 and the call wouldn't have mattered. I see FC Dallas won the championship, congratulations to FCD.

by wxyz 15/05/11, 07:51 pm

SdadX2 wrote:This was a hard fought game by both teams. When each team had the wind behind their backs, they seem to dominate possession. IMO, SRSA more scoring chances including 2 balls that were cleared off the goal line by the 2nd Rowdies goalie, the sweeper. She camped inside the 6, which turned out to be a good strategy. On the game changing call, by my watch, the 2nd corner kick was awarded at 31:25 in the second 1/2. The handball happened just about at 32 minutes. On the "handball" the RA who was on the side of the call told the HR, the ball hit the players back. What doesn't matter now and is interesting, PT said there is no additional time given, yet the red said after the game, games are not stop watch time and at his discretion. I couldn't tell if it was a handball or not from my POF, so i eill only comment on what the RA and others said. All that said, SRSA should have made more of their opportunities in the 1st 1/2 and the call wouldn't have mattered. I see FC Dallas won the championship, congratulations to FCD.

Based on your description, the HR gave every opportunity for Rowdies to score the tying goal--2 extra minutes and over-ruling the RA on the PK call. Also, the "2nd goalie" comment is pretty interesting... Did her parents approve of her DD playing "goalie"? Winning!

Where are the Rowdies parents? Happygilmore, any thoughts on the "SRSA dominance" comment or "handball" call?

by SdadX2 15/05/11, 08:19 pm

I was actually trying to make more of a comment that SRSA didnt capitalize on some very good opportunities to score. I just figured the main comments regarding the game would be about the handball, and I am just trying to point out that SRSA had some good chances that could have and should have made the end of the game irrelevant. As I said, the ball was on one side of the field the majority of the game depending on the wind. I start my watch for every 1/2 after the kick and stand by my stop watch comment. Not saying the ref tried to give Rowdies every opportunity tk win the game, but he clearly intrepreted a rule different than the PT officials stated. That being said, the time keeping rule stated to me happened in my sons game when the other coach wanted more time and the PT officials said none us given, so maybe different in girls games. As for the 2nd goalie comment, IMO, that was a good strategic play when SRSa had the wind at their backs. It wasn't meant to be derogatory to the Rowdies.

by Guest 15/05/11, 08:38 pm

SdadX2 wrote:I was actually trying to make more of a comment that SRSA didnt capitalize on some very good opportunities to score. I just figured the main comments regarding the game would be about the handball, and I am just trying to point out that SRSA had some good chances that could have and should have made the end of the game irrelevant. As I said, the ball was on one side of the field the majority of the game depending on the wind. I start my watch for every 1/2 after the kick and stand by my stop watch comment. Not saying the ref tried to give Rowdies every opportunity tk win the game, but he clearly intrepreted a rule different than the PT officials stated. That being said, the time keeping rule stated to me happened in my sons game when the other coach wanted more time and the PT officials said none us given, so maybe different in girls games. As for the 2nd goalie comment, IMO, that was a good strategic play when SRSa had the wind at their backs. It wasn't meant to be derogatory to the Rowdies.

Just to state my opinion on the subject. the extra time was lotted because of Webb's constant interruptions. Per Ref!

by SdadX2 15/05/11, 09:08 pm

Gr8tJumpShot wrote:
SdadX2 wrote:I was actually trying to make more of a comment that SRSA didnt capitalize on some very good opportunities to score. I just figured the main comments regarding the game would be about the handball, and I am just trying to point out that SRSA had some good chances that could have and should have made the end of the game irrelevant. As I said, the ball was on one side of the field the majority of the game depending on the wind. I start my watch for every 1/2 after the kick and stand by my stop watch comment. Not saying the ref tried to give Rowdies every opportunity tk win the game, but he clearly intrepreted a rule different than the PT officials stated. That being said, the time keeping rule stated to me happened in my sons game when the other coach wanted more time and the PT officials said none us given, so maybe different in girls games. As for the 2nd goalie comment, IMO, that was a good strategic play when SRSa had the wind at their backs. It wasn't meant to be derogatory to the Rowdies.

Just to state my opinion on the subject. the extra time was lotted because of Webb's constant interruptions. Per Ref!

Interesting, didn't know that. What interruptions are you referring too? A kid hurt? I saw the HO speak with DM as well. As stated, if SRSA would have capitalized on their chances, it wouldn't have mattered. Do you disagree?

by soccerA 15/05/11, 09:15 pm

SdadX2 wrote:
Gr8tJumpShot wrote:
SdadX2 wrote:I was actually trying to make more of a comment that SRSA didnt capitalize on some very good opportunities to score. I just figured the main comments regarding the game would be about the handball, and I am just trying to point out that SRSA had some good chances that could have and should have made the end of the game irrelevant. As I said, the ball was on one side of the field the majority of the game depending on the wind. I start my watch for every 1/2 after the kick and stand by my stop watch comment. Not saying the ref tried to give Rowdies every opportunity tk win the game, but he clearly intrepreted a rule different than the PT officials stated. That being said, the time keeping rule stated to me happened in my sons game when the other coach wanted more time and the PT officials said none us given, so maybe different in girls games. As for the 2nd goalie comment, IMO, that was a good strategic play when SRSa had the wind at their backs. It wasn't meant to be derogatory to the Rowdies.

Just to state my opinion on the subject. the extra time was lotted because of Webb's constant interruptions. Per Ref!
Interesting, didn't know that. What interruptions are you referring too? A kid hurt? I saw the HO speak with DM as well. As stated, if SRSA would have capitalized on their chances, it wouldn't have mattered. Do you disagree?

I agree. the interruptions were on both sides, so that should not have made a difference. Time is time. If SRSA wwould have capitalized on their missed chances, it would not have mattered. However, the sweeper playing goalie was quite interesting.

by wxyz 15/05/11, 09:18 pm

Gr8tJumpShot wrote:
SdadX2 wrote:I was actually trying to make more of a comment that SRSA didnt capitalize on some very good opportunities to score. I just figured the main comments regarding the game would be about the handball, and I am just trying to point out that SRSA had some good chances that could have and should have made the end of the game irrelevant. As I said, the ball was on one side of the field the majority of the game depending on the wind. I start my watch for every 1/2 after the kick and stand by my stop watch comment. Not saying the ref tried to give Rowdies every opportunity tk win the game, but he clearly intrepreted a rule different than the PT officials stated. That being said, the time keeping rule stated to me happened in my sons game when the other coach wanted more time and the PT officials said none us given, so maybe different in girls games. As for the 2nd goalie comment, IMO, that was a good strategic play when SRSa had the wind at their backs. It wasn't meant to be derogatory to the Rowdies.

Just to state my opinion on the subject. the extra time was lotted because of Webb's constant interruptions. Per Ref!

Your opinion on "dominance" or "handball" comments?

by wxyz 15/05/11, 09:30 pm

SdadX2 wrote:I was actually trying to make more of a comment that SRSA didnt capitalize on some very good opportunities to score. I just figured the main comments regarding the game would be about the handball, and I am just trying to point out that SRSA had some good chances that could have and should have made the end of the game irrelevant. As I said, the ball was on one side of the field the majority of the game depending on the wind. I start my watch for every 1/2 after the kick and stand by my stop watch comment. Not saying the ref tried to give Rowdies every opportunity tk win the game, but he clearly intrepreted a rule different than the PT officials stated. That being said, the time keeping rule stated to me happened in my sons game when the other coach wanted more time and the PT officials said none us given, so maybe different in girls games. As for the 2nd goalie comment, IMO, that was a good strategic play when SRSa had the wind at their backs. It wasn't meant to be derogatory to the Rowdies.

Would you say having 3, for example, in the box is also a good strategy? How about 4, 5, or 6?
Winning is important, I understand, but is it that important when they are 8 or 9 years old? Important enough to have one or more of your field players to stay in the box as opposed to playing against good competition out on the open field? Personally, I do not think it is a good strategy to teach kids since it pretty much rules out offside and allows the opposing forwards to stay too close to the goal.

by Capt. Caveman 15/05/11, 09:31 pm

Sweepers regularly assist the goalie with protecting the goal at higher levels of play, this is the first time I've seen it at the academy level, it is good to see this pair working together and truly defending the goal. I'd say it was a fluke but I've seen them do this several times throughout this weekend's tournament particularly in the FCD games.

by soccerA 15/05/11, 09:33 pm

wxyz wrote:
SdadX2 wrote:I was actually trying to make more of a comment that SRSA didnt capitalize on some very good opportunities to score. I just figured the main comments regarding the game would be about the handball, and I am just trying to point out that SRSA had some good chances that could have and should have made the end of the game irrelevant. As I said, the ball was on one side of the field the majority of the game depending on the wind. I start my watch for every 1/2 after the kick and stand by my stop watch comment. Not saying the ref tried to give Rowdies every opportunity tk win the game, but he clearly intrepreted a rule different than the PT officials stated. That being said, the time keeping rule stated to me happened in my sons game when the other coach wanted more time and the PT officials said none us given, so maybe different in girls games. As for the 2nd goalie comment, IMO, that was a good strategic play when SRSa had the wind at their backs. It wasn't meant to be derogatory to the Rowdies.

Would you say having 3, for example, in the box is also a good strategy? How about 4, 5, or 6?
Winning is important, I understand, but is it that important when they are 8 or 9 years old? Important enough to have one or more of your field players to stay in the box as opposed to playing against good competition out on the open field? Personally, I do not think it is a good strategy to teach kids since it pretty much rules out offside and allows the opposing forwards to stay too close to the goal.

I agree. Playing the sweeper and goalie in the goal is not a good strategy, but DM was doing everything he could to win.

by SdadX2 15/05/11, 09:34 pm

wxyz wrote:
Gr8tJumpShot wrote:
SdadX2 wrote:I was actually trying to make more of a comment that SRSA didnt capitalize on some very good opportunities to score. I just figured the main comments regarding the game would be about the handball, and I am just trying to point out that SRSA had some good chances that could have and should have made the end of the game irrelevant. As I said, the ball was on one side of the field the majority of the game depending on the wind. I start my watch for every 1/2 after the kick and stand by my stop watch comment. Not saying the ref tried to give Rowdies every opportunity tk win the game, but he clearly intrepreted a rule different than the PT officials stated. That being said, the time keeping rule stated to me happened in my sons game when the other coach wanted more time and the PT officials said none us given, so maybe different in girls games. As for the 2nd goalie comment, IMO, that was a good strategic play when SRSa had the wind at their backs. It wasn't meant to be derogatory to the Rowdies.

Just to state my opinion on the subject. the extra time was lotted because of Webb's constant interruptions. Per Ref!

Your opinion on "dominance" or "handball" comments?

My guess is opinion on additional time?

by SdadX2 15/05/11, 09:39 pm

wxyz wrote:
SdadX2 wrote:I was actually trying to make more of a comment that SRSA didnt capitalize on some very good opportunities to score. I just figured the main comments regarding the game would be about the handball, and I am just trying to point out that SRSA had some good chances that could have and should have made the end of the game irrelevant. As I said, the ball was on one side of the field the majority of the game depending on the wind. I start my watch for every 1/2 after the kick and stand by my stop watch comment. Not saying the ref tried to give Rowdies every opportunity tk win the game, but he clearly intrepreted a rule different than the PT officials stated. That being said, the time keeping rule stated to me happened in my sons game when the other coach wanted more time and the PT officials said none us given, so maybe different in girls games. As for the 2nd goalie comment, IMO, that was a good strategic play when SRSa had the wind at their backs. It wasn't meant to be derogatory to the Rowdies.

Would you say having 3, for example, in the box is also a good strategy? How about 4, 5, or 6?
Winning is important, I understand, but is it that important when they are 8 or 9 years old? Important enough to have one or more of your field players to stay in the box as opposed to playing against good competition out on the open field? Personally, I do not think it is a good strategy to teach kids since it pretty much rules out offside and allows the opposing forwards to stay too close to the goal.

I was speaking strictly on strategy for winning a game. I'm not talking about player development or anything else, just a strategy to win a game. The fact of the matter is she saved 2 balls rolling into the goal. I guess the counter argument could be if she wasn't so far back, there may never have been balls heading into the net. I'm probably overstating how much she was inside the 6, so please don't take my comment to mean she literally didn't come out of the 6, it just seemed that way while SRSA had the wind.

by SdadX2 15/05/11, 09:41 pm

Capt. Caveman wrote:Sweepers regularly assist the goalie with protecting the goal at higher levels of play, this is the first time I've seen it at the academy level, it is good to see this pair working together and truly defending the goal. I'd say it was a fluke but I've seen them do this several times throughout this weekend's tournament particularly in the FCD games.

Perhaps I stand corrected and my eyes weren't deceiving me.

by wxyz 15/05/11, 09:46 pm

Capt. Caveman wrote:Sweepers regularly assist the goalie with protecting the goal at higher levels of play, this is the first time I've seen it at the academy level, it is good to see this pair working together and truly defending the goal. I'd say it was a fluke but I've seen them do this several times throughout this weekend's tournament particularly in the FCD games.

It is true that sweeper and all defenders (and sometimes non defenders) do assist the goalie with protecting the goal (at all levels) during set plays (e.g., corner kicks, DKs/IDKs) near the goal and when the ball is near the goal. However, having the sweeper stay near the goal all the time (i.e., being a second goalie) is not done at "higher levels of play." It is too dangerous. In fact, one of the most important role of a sweeper is to move the whole defensive line moving up to trap opposing forwards offside or keep them as far away from the goal as possible... At least in real soccer...

by soccerA 15/05/11, 09:50 pm

wxyz wrote:
Capt. Caveman wrote:Sweepers regularly assist the goalie with protecting the goal at higher levels of play, this is the first time I've seen it at the academy level, it is good to see this pair working together and truly defending the goal. I'd say it was a fluke but I've seen them do this several times throughout this weekend's tournament particularly in the FCD games.

It is true that sweeper and all defenders (and sometimes non defenders) do assist the goalie with protecting the goal (at all levels) during set plays (e.g., corner kicks, DKs/IDKs) near the goal and when the ball is near the goal. However, having the sweeper stay near the goal all the time (i.e., being a second goalie) is not done at "higher levels of play." It is too dangerous. In fact, one of the most important role of a sweeper is to move the whole defensive line moving up to trap opposing forwards offside or keep them as far away from the goal as possible... At least in real soccer...

During the Webb/Rowdies game, this sweeper was staying near the goal

by wxyz 15/05/11, 09:51 pm

SdadX2 wrote:
Capt. Caveman wrote:Sweepers regularly assist the goalie with protecting the goal at higher levels of play, this is the first time I've seen it at the academy level, it is good to see this pair working together and truly defending the goal. I'd say it was a fluke but I've seen them do this several times throughout this weekend's tournament particularly in the FCD games.
Perhaps I stand corrected and my eyes weren't deceiving me.

WINNING! Who cares about development and learning at 8 or 9? Those are for 5 or younger in NTx!

by Capt. Caveman 15/05/11, 09:54 pm

hmmm...They played that game on one side of the field the majority of the game, stands to reason the defense will be closer to the goal, Webb had Rowdies on the ropes from the very beginning.

by Capt. Caveman 15/05/11, 09:56 pm

soccerA wrote:
wxyz wrote:
Capt. Caveman wrote:Sweepers regularly assist the goalie with protecting the goal at higher levels of play, this is the first time I've seen it at the academy level, it is good to see this pair working together and truly defending the goal. I'd say it was a fluke but I've seen them do this several times throughout this weekend's tournament particularly in the FCD games.

It is true that sweeper and all defenders (and sometimes non defenders) do assist the goalie with protecting the goal (at all levels) during set plays (e.g., corner kicks, DKs/IDKs) near the goal and when the ball is near the goal. However, having the sweeper stay near the goal all the time (i.e., being a second goalie) is not done at "higher levels of play." It is too dangerous. In fact, one of the most important role of a sweeper is to move the whole defensive line moving up to trap opposing forwards offside or keep them as far away from the goal as possible... At least in real soccer...

During the Webb/Rowdies game, this sweeper was staying near the goal

hmmm...They played that game on one side of the field the majority of the game, stands to reason the defense will be closer to the goal, Webb had Rowdies on the ropes from the very beginning.

by 02soccerdad 15/05/11, 09:58 pm

My Hats off to Rowdies. They have a great team, and the parents are classy. After seeing 120 min of some of the best soccer between 2 really good teams, the outcome could have went either way. Their left mid is supper fast, any of their forwards and mids are dangerous from 30 yards out, their sweeper is where ever the ball is and stopped a ton of goals and who wouldnt like to have their goalie. And as SRSA found out, i dont know if anyone can beat them in PK's. Thanks for some great competition.

by wxyz 15/05/11, 10:00 pm

Capt. Caveman wrote:hmmm...They played that game on one side of the field the majority of the game, stands to reason the defense will be closer to the goal, Webb had Rowdies on the ropes from the very beginning.

Who is right? Did Webb have Rowdies on the ropes both half or did the team with the wind have the other team on the ropes? Damn, I should have cancelled everything this weekend to watch those matches... It's like listening to six blind men describing an elephant!

by wxyz 15/05/11, 10:03 pm

02soccerdad wrote:My Hats off to Rowdies. They have a great team, and the parents are classy. After seeing 120 min of some of the best soccer between 2 really good teams, the outcome could have went either way. Their left mid is supper fast, any of their forwards and mids are dangerous from 30 yards out, their sweeper is where ever the ball is and stopped a ton of goals and who wouldnt like to have their goalie. And as SRSA found out, i dont know if anyone can beat them in PK's. Thanks for some great competition.

R U a Rowdies parent? If not, based on your unbiased opinion, which team played better--Rowdies, Webb, or FCD? The noise on this thread seems to indicated that the Rowdies stole one from Webb with the help of the ref.

by 02soccerdad 15/05/11, 10:08 pm

Not hardly, but played them 2 times this weekend.

by SdadX2 15/05/11, 10:13 pm

wxyz wrote:
Capt. Caveman wrote:hmmm...They played that game on one side of the field the majority of the game, stands to reason the defense will be closer to the goal, Webb had Rowdies on the ropes from the very beginning.

Who is right? Did Webb have Rowdies on the ropes both half or did the team with the wind have the other team on the ropes? Damn, I should have cancelled everything this weekend to watch those matches... It's like listening to six blind men describing an elephant!

IMO, the team that had the wind had the ball on the other teams side the most. I don't recall Rowdies being on the Webb side much at all in the 1st half. 2nd half, Rowdies had the wind and were on Webb side a lot, but didn't appear to be inside the 18 like Webb did with as many goal scoring chance and pressure. I could be wrong though.

by Capt. Caveman 15/05/11, 10:35 pm

SdadX2 wrote:
wxyz wrote:
Capt. Caveman wrote:hmmm...They played that game on one side of the field the majority of the game, stands to reason the defense will be closer to the goal, Webb had Rowdies on the ropes from the very beginning.

Who is right? Did Webb have Rowdies on the ropes both half or did the team with the wind have the other team on the ropes? Damn, I should have cancelled everything this weekend to watch those matches... It's like listening to six blind men describing an elephant!
IMO, the team that had the wind had the ball on the other teams side the most. I don't recall Rowdies being on the Webb side much at all in the 1st half. 2nd half, Rowdies had the wind and were on Webb side a lot, but didn't appear to be inside the 18 like Webb did with as many goal scoring chance and pressure. I could be wrong though.

Yep you should've been there, everyone has different views and perspectives on these games, what is glaringly clear is the top 3 remain unquestionably FCDP, Rowdies & SRSA.

by Guest 15/05/11, 10:41 pm

Capt. Caveman wrote:
SdadX2 wrote:
wxyz wrote:
Capt. Caveman wrote:hmmm...They played that game on one side of the field the majority of the game, stands to reason the defense will be closer to the goal, Webb had Rowdies on the ropes from the very beginning.

Who is right? Did Webb have Rowdies on the ropes both half or did the team with the wind have the other team on the ropes? Damn, I should have cancelled everything this weekend to watch those matches... It's like listening to six blind men describing an elephant!
IMO, the team that had the wind had the ball on the other teams side the most. I don't recall Rowdies being on the Webb side much at all in the 1st half. 2nd half, Rowdies had the wind and were on Webb side a lot, but didn't appear to be inside the 18 like Webb did with as many goal scoring chance and pressure. I could be wrong though.

Yep you should've been there, everyone has different views and perspectives on these games, what is glaringly clear is the top 3 remain unquestionably FCDP, Rowdies & SRSA.

Good point. In my best Robot Greggo voice.

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