Prime Cup Results 11v11

happygilmore wrote:

wxyz wrote:Happy, as you know, there is a pattern of IF taking over the team earlier than planned. One can never be sure what the underlying drivers are (since the parents are often mum on their reasons on this board) but there is definitely a pattern. I agree 100% that all teams lose (even Bates '01 will lose at some point). However, I do not think losing is the reason why the transfer happens earlier than planned.

In terms of "pruning" weaker players, does Rowdies '02 have enough new recruits or a long roster to be able to do that? Grubb was able to do that because he had an inflow of talent from Stav (which he may or may not be able to keep based on observations from the championship game over the weekend). Rowdies '00s roster was relatively short and '01s roster was relatively long. My understanding is that '02s roster is relatively short but have no idea on recruiting new and better players.

I also believe you were the same one who reported we had girls leaving to go to FCD a month or so ago-did that ever happen?? Not that I know of

Atomic Flea wrote:

happygilmore wrote:Rowdies are all fine with our coach and team, and are a tight group of parents and kids. Losing a game is not what you wish for but.......... big deal, these kids have a long road ahead and will lose many games. No one is looking to jump ship or changes coaches because of a few loses, and loses were not blow outs they were close. Some players did not play as much in crucial games and that will happen as he tries to put his best team -for that game , I'm sure the same thing happens at FCD and SRSA. I tell my dd to improve her game if she wants to play during the tough games.. SRSA did dominate Rowdies in first half- but who won the game??????? (if you agree with ref or not-outcome was that Rowdies won)
Same could be said about Waco Blast beating SRSA in first game, the only diff is they got a chance to play them again and redeem themselves. Really all these teams will lose . Didn't FCD lose to SRSA in reg season? Didn't SRSA lose to Lady Blast and Stavrou(during season???? Big Deal. I can just speak for Rowdies, not panicking bc of a lose -taking it and learning for it and improving would be more like it.
Also FCD has cut many weaker players so the stronger ones can play together. Smart move IMO, but Rowdies have not done that yet, and probably need to to become stronger.

Happy, you might want to do some more research on your team. Let me start off by saying that I agree with you about (Taking it and learning/improving from it). However, I can promise you that the parents are not fine with there coach DM and hence the change will come sooner. BLAH BLAH BLAH, you aint buying it right ?? but you as well as many of the parents know and talked about Ian coming on to take over the team asap. Let the fun times begin.

wxyz wrote:

happygilmore wrote:

wxyz wrote:Happy, as you know, there is a pattern of IF taking over the team earlier than planned. One can never be sure what the underlying drivers are (since the parents are often mum on their reasons on this board) but there is definitely a pattern. I agree 100% that all teams lose (even Bates '01 will lose at some point). However, I do not think losing is the reason why the transfer happens earlier than planned.

In terms of "pruning" weaker players, does Rowdies '02 have enough new recruits or a long roster to be able to do that? Grubb was able to do that because he had an inflow of talent from Stav (which he may or may not be able to keep based on observations from the championship game over the weekend). Rowdies '00s roster was relatively short and '01s roster was relatively long. My understanding is that '02s roster is relatively short but have no idea on recruiting new and better players.

I also believe you were the same one who reported we had girls leaving to go to FCD a month or so ago-did that ever happen?? Not that I know of

Nope. I did no such thing because I have absolutely no inside or outside info on any player movement. Why don't you go back and check before accusing randomly! I do take note on what others post. I stand by what I post and I still am wondering about YOUR POST on Rowdies needing to cut weaker players.

Atomic Flea wrote:

jj4mel wrote:I am curious to know if Waco Lady Blast had any additional "help"? They are a good team with great parents. However, my DD's '03 team played these girls. Tied once 1-1 and beat them 2-0 just back in April. DT South '03 beat them 4-3 and lost to them 2-1. All games on the 11v11 field. Did this team greatly improve? Bring in some "friends" to help out?

I think Glotz is one of the "juggernauts", just had a bad weekend. Same goes for SRSA.

I am excited to see a re-match for all the teams. Rowdies, FCD, SRSA and Glotz. Way to go, way to compete at the next level, and hope to see it again!!

I am curious to find out why your 03 did not play up in the tournament against the 02 ? I am assuming Primetime would not allow it.

Atomic Flea wrote:This is greatness!!! Need to work on one for Kat Webb. Any takers


What can we say about David May?

His personality is so magnetic, he doesn't carry credit cards.

His charm is so contagious, they've created vaccines for it.

He speaks fluent French, in Russian.

Years ago, he created a city out of blocks- Today over 600,000 people live and work there.

Alien abductors have asked, to probe them.



He lives vicariously, through himself.

Bear hugs are what he gives bears.

He once ran a marathon backwards, just to see what second place looked like.

His parents were named after him.

He once sent his $2,000 to a Nigerian scammer, and actually recieved his $2.7 million inheritance.

As a child, when asked by a teacher what he wanted to be when he grew up, answered, "myself".

One hour of conversation with him is like 16 hours of college.

He once thought he made a mistake, but was mistaken.

AND... if he slept with your wife/girlfriend, you would brag to your buddies...

David May, he is... the most interesting coach in North Texas.

jj4mel wrote:

Atomic Flea wrote:

jj4mel wrote:I am curious to know if Waco Lady Blast had any additional "help"? They are a good team with great parents. However, my DD's '03 team played these girls. Tied once 1-1 and beat them 2-0 just back in April. DT South '03 beat them 4-3 and lost to them 2-1. All games on the 11v11 field. Did this team greatly improve? Bring in some "friends" to help out?

I think Glotz is one of the "juggernauts", just had a bad weekend. Same goes for SRSA. <---SRSA is included in the the trinity of '02 juggernauts...Everyone else are just contenders.
I am excited to see a re-match for all the teams. Rowdies, FCD, SRSA and Glotz. Way to go, way to compete at the next level, and hope to see it again!!

I am curious to find out why your 03 did not play up in the tournament against the 02 ? I am assuming Primetime would not allow it.

We played '02 D1 in SDL and played '02s 11v11 in Prime Time. We enjoyed playing our own age group in the tourneys and our girls enjoyed the trophies.

wxyz wrote:

happygilmore wrote:

wxyz wrote:Happy, as you know, there is a pattern of IF taking over the team earlier than planned. One can never be sure what the underlying drivers are (since the parents are often mum on their reasons on this board) but there is definitely a pattern. I agree 100% that all teams lose (even Bates '01 will lose at some point). However, I do not think losing is the reason why the transfer happens earlier than planned.

In terms of "pruning" weaker players, does Rowdies '02 have enough new recruits or a long roster to be able to do that? Grubb was able to do that because he had an inflow of talent from Stav (which he may or may not be able to keep based on observations from the championship game over the weekend). Rowdies '00s roster was relatively short and '01s roster was relatively long. My understanding is that '02s roster is relatively short but have no idea on recruiting new and better players.

I also believe you were the same one who reported we had girls leaving to go to FCD a month or so ago-did that ever happen?? Not that I know of

Nope. I did no such thing because I have absolutely no inside or outside info on any player movement. Why don't you go back and check before accusing randomly! I do take note on what others post. I stand by what I post and I still am wondering about YOUR POST on Rowdies needing to cut weaker players.

happygilmore wrote:

wxyz wrote:

happygilmore wrote:

wxyz wrote:Happy, as you know, there is a pattern of IF taking over the team earlier than planned. One can never be sure what the underlying drivers are (since the parents are often mum on their reasons on this board) but there is definitely a pattern. I agree 100% that all teams lose (even Bates '01 will lose at some point). However, I do not think losing is the reason why the transfer happens earlier than planned.

In terms of "pruning" weaker players, does Rowdies '02 have enough new recruits or a long roster to be able to do that? Grubb was able to do that because he had an inflow of talent from Stav (which he may or may not be able to keep based on observations from the championship game over the weekend). Rowdies '00s roster was relatively short and '01s roster was relatively long. My understanding is that '02s roster is relatively short but have no idea on recruiting new and better players.

I also believe you were the same one who reported we had girls leaving to go to FCD a month or so ago-did that ever happen?? Not that I know of

Nope. I did no such thing because I have absolutely no inside or outside info on any player movement. Why don't you go back and check before accusing randomly! I do take note on what others post. I stand by what I post and I still am wondering about YOUR POST on Rowdies needing to cut weaker players.

YEs my bad, you were the TFC Guzman parent who suddenly began ripping 02 Rowdies after we beat you in EAL with the help of 01 Texans bc we were short Sorry!And yes at times if weak players hold you back after giving them enough time to acclimate, it's time to cut. Harsh but true.

wxyz wrote:

happygilmore wrote:

wxyz wrote:

happygilmore wrote:

wxyz wrote:Happy, as you know, there is a pattern of IF taking over the team earlier than planned. One can never be sure what the underlying drivers are (since the parents are often mum on their reasons on this board) but there is definitely a pattern. I agree 100% that all teams lose (even Bates '01 will lose at some point). However, I do not think losing is the reason why the transfer happens earlier than planned.

In terms of "pruning" weaker players, does Rowdies '02 have enough new recruits or a long roster to be able to do that? Grubb was able to do that because he had an inflow of talent from Stav (which he may or may not be able to keep based on observations from the championship game over the weekend). Rowdies '00s roster was relatively short and '01s roster was relatively long. My understanding is that '02s roster is relatively short but have no idea on recruiting new and better players.

I also believe you were the same one who reported we had girls leaving to go to FCD a month or so ago-did that ever happen?? Not that I know of

Nope. I did no such thing because I have absolutely no inside or outside info on any player movement. Why don't you go back and check before accusing randomly! I do take note on what others post. I stand by what I post and I still am wondering about YOUR POST on Rowdies needing to cut weaker players.

YEs my bad, you were the TFC Guzman parent who suddenly began ripping 02 Rowdies after we beat you in EAL with the help of 01 Texans bc we were short Sorry!And yes at times if weak players hold you back after giving them enough time to acclimate, it's time to cut. Harsh but true.

Happy, this is not your day... I am not a TFC parent. I did ask about how many '01s helped out and stated that the win was not that big a shock as everyone claimed because of the help. Please enlighten everyone where I "ripped 02 Rowdies". Too much sun this weekend? Why don't you give up trying to accuse people with no facts while you have some dignity left?

Capt. Caveman wrote:Wow.. WXYZ you really have a hard on for DM huh? Show me a "perfect" anyone and I'll show you a fraud and a liar. So what Webb congratulated the kids, does that out weigh her behavior during games, or her use of less than appropriate language with the kiddos? Does that make her a better coach or role model even?

So would you tell your DD "Hey it's ok to be disruptive, foul mouthed, undisciplined and rude as long as you smile and shake a few hands afterwards." None of us have any idea what's going through another persons mind until they open their mouths,ie., Webb, I'd rather a coach say nothing and walk away than fake "good sportsmanship" , at least he's being honest, furthermore, if DM spoke to anyone else's kids, parents like you would likely assume he's trying to recruit them. If I was DM I'd keep my distance too.

IMO if any coach allowed their players to not shake hands and be good sports, THAT would be cause for criticism; Kids don't care of a coach congratulates them or not parents do, therein lies the problem.

Kids are more concerned with their peers, not adults so if the kids are good sports to one another, that's what's most important.

soccerA wrote:

Capt. Caveman wrote:Wow.. WXYZ you really have a hard on for DM huh? Show me a "perfect" anyone and I'll show you a fraud and a liar. So what Webb congratulated the kids, does that out weigh her behavior during games, or her use of less than appropriate language with the kiddos? Does that make her a better coach or role model even?

So would you tell your DD "Hey it's ok to be disruptive, foul mouthed, undisciplined and rude as long as you smile and shake a few hands afterwards." None of us have any idea what's going through another persons mind until they open their mouths,ie., Webb, I'd rather a coach say nothing and walk away than fake "good sportsmanship" , at least he's being honest, furthermore, if DM spoke to anyone else's kids, parents like you would likely assume he's trying to recruit them. If I was DM I'd keep my distance too.

IMO if any coach allowed their players to not shake hands and be good sports, THAT would be cause for criticism; Kids don't care of a coach congratulates them or not parents do, therein lies the problem.

Kids are more concerned with their peers, not adults so if the kids are good sports to one another, that's what's most important.

It's called Sportsmanship. Kat displayed it after a hard lost. You want to lead your players by example. Kat's language is far from in appropriate. and how do you know she is faking it. I understand it's your opinion, but I think your words are rather extreme. Congratulating players after a game is for the coach and players to do. It's done at all levels. You sound like DM's hype man.

Capt. Caveman wrote:

soccerA wrote:

Capt. Caveman wrote:Wow.. WXYZ you really have a hard on for DM huh? Show me a "perfect" anyone and I'll show you a fraud and a liar. So what Webb congratulated the kids, does that out weigh her behavior during games, or her use of less than appropriate language with the kiddos? Does that make her a better coach or role model even?

So would you tell your DD "Hey it's ok to be disruptive, foul mouthed, undisciplined and rude as long as you smile and shake a few hands afterwards." None of us have any idea what's going through another persons mind until they open their mouths,ie., Webb, I'd rather a coach say nothing and walk away than fake "good sportsmanship" , at least he's being honest, furthermore, if DM spoke to anyone else's kids, parents like you would likely assume he's trying to recruit them. If I was DM I'd keep my distance too.

IMO if any coach allowed their players to not shake hands and be good sports, THAT would be cause for criticism; Kids don't care of a coach congratulates them or not parents do, therein lies the problem.

Kids are more concerned with their peers, not adults so if the kids are good sports to one another, that's what's most important.

It's called Sportsmanship. Kat displayed it after a hard lost. You want to lead your players by example. Kat's language is far from in appropriate. and how do you know she is faking it. I understand it's your opinion, but I think your words are rather extreme. Congratulating players after a game is for the coach and players to do. It's done at all levels. You sound like DM's hype man.

Yes it is my opinion and perspective, I don't know DM, but I have observed Webbs behavior over the years. Your perspective is merely your opinion also, how well do you know DM to pass judgment? You're quick to defend Webb with such vigor and condemn DM, why is that?

Better yet, let's agree to disagree.
Sounds good.....

Capt. Caveman wrote:Wow.. WXYZ you really have a hard on for DM huh? Show me a "perfect" anyone and I'll show you a fraud and a liar. So what Webb congratulated the kids, does that out weigh her behavior during games, or her use of less than appropriate language with the kiddos? Does that make her a better coach or role model even?

So would you tell your DD "Hey it's ok to be disruptive, foul mouthed, undisciplined and rude as long as you smile and shake a few hands afterwards." None of us have any idea what's going through another persons mind until they open their mouths,ie., Webb, I'd rather a coach say nothing and walk away than fake "good sportsmanship" , at least he's being honest, furthermore, if DM spoke to anyone else's kids, parents like you would likely assume he's trying to recruit them. If I was DM I'd keep my distance too.

IMO if any coach allowed their players to not shake hands and be good sports, THAT would be cause for criticism; Kids don't care of a coach congratulates them or not parents do, therein lies the problem.

Kids are more concerned with their peers, not adults so if the kids are good sports to one another, that's what's most important.

Capt. Caveman wrote:Wow.. WXYZ you really have a hard on for DM huh? Show me a "perfect" anyone and I'll show you a fraud and a liar. So what Webb congratulated the kids, does that out weigh her behavior during games, or her use of less than appropriate language with the kiddos? Does that make her a better coach or role model even?

So would you tell your DD "Hey it's ok to be disruptive, foul mouthed, undisciplined and rude as long as you smile and shake a few hands afterwards." None of us have any idea what's going through another persons mind until they open their mouths,ie., Webb, I'd rather a coach say nothing and walk away than fake "good sportsmanship" , at least he's being honest, furthermore, if DM spoke to anyone else's kids, parents like you would likely assume he's trying to recruit them. If I was DM I'd keep my distance too.

IMO if any coach allowed their players to not shake hands and be good sports, THAT would be cause for criticism; Kids don't care of a coach congratulates them or not parents do, therein lies the problem.

Kids are more concerned with their peers, not adults so if the kids are good sports to one another, that's what's most important.

soccerskills wrote:Reading the forum while eating some popcorn. Not sure if I am reading a comedy or tragedy.

wxyz wrote:

soccerskills wrote:Reading the forum while eating some popcorn. Not sure if I am reading a comedy or tragedy.

Comedy, definitely a comedy!

This is all in good fun with many hidden and often open agenda...

Whether any of us would like to admitted or not, most of these 8/9 year olds will not be playing soccer in college or in HS. For most of us, we should view this as our kids learning the lessons that this beautiful game has to offer--teamwork, work ethics, and sportmanship (among others). I definitely agree that no coach is perfect and that Kat has her challenges/issues. However, I prefer coaches who at least attempt to show/demonstrate and teach good sportsmanship to these young, impressionable 8/9 year olds. I doubt that they will spend too much time thinking about their underlying intention and even after a tough loss, they need to learn to put on a happy face and congratulate the other team (players and coach) for their efforts and outcome if positive.

Capt. Caveman wrote:An idiot??? You're so sensitive..Now let me help you understand what I am attempting to convey, when we observe other people in this case coaches, without knowing either of these coaches personally or having significant direct contact with them ie., playing for them you have only what you see during games and tournaments to evaluate them. If you have someone who keeps quiet and is distant you have very little information to make a reasonable assessment of them, basically you develop conclusions based on assumptions ( the mother of all @#$% ups).

On the other hand if you have an individual who is loud, very vocal and "in your face" you are given a wealth of information over time to assess and develop a reasonable opinion that.can be substantiated by others.

I'm not for or against either coach, I have given an unbiased opinion, people get on here and villify DM like he did something to you personally, he's the downfall of NTx soccer? Really? IMO people like that are idiots and a few other choice words... BTW, this is a free country, and this is an open forum, I'm not going anywhere....Have a nice day..

soccerskills wrote:Reading the forum while eating some popcorn. Not sure if I am reading a comedy or tragedy.

SdadX2 wrote:

soccerskills wrote:Reading the forum while eating some popcorn. Not sure if I am reading a comedy or tragedy.

You shouldn't be eating popcorn at 2:30 a.m. It's pretty much always a comedy.

Capt. Caveman wrote:An idiot??? You're so sensitive..Now let me help you understand what I am attempting to convey, when we observe other people in this case coaches, without knowing either of these coaches personally or having significant direct contact with them ie., playing for them you have only what you see during games and tournaments to evaluate them. If you have someone who keeps quiet and is distant you have very little information to make a reasonable assessment of them, basically you develop conclusions based on assumptions ( the mother of all @#$% ups).

On the other hand if you have an individual who is loud, very vocal and "in your face" you are given a wealth of information over time to assess and develop a reasonable opinion that.can be substantiated by others.
I'm not for or against either coach, I have given an unbiased opinion, people get on here and villify DM like he did something to you personally, he's the downfall of NTx soccer? Really? IMO people like that are idiots and a few other choice words... BTW, this is a free country, and this is an open forum, I'm not going anywhere....Have a nice day..

soccerskills wrote:

SdadX2 wrote:

soccerskills wrote:Reading the forum while eating some popcorn. Not sure if I am reading a comedy or tragedy.

You shouldn't be eating popcorn at 2:30 a.m. It's pretty much always a comedy.

At least i'm not drinking at 2:30am. I know it's comical for most but some are very serious about this stuff.......it's sad