Re: NTX Seeding Showdown attendees

by soccerjack 11/07/14, 02:06 pm

go99 wrote:the various seeding tournaments are for teams looking to put a little polish on their play or teams that lack the body of work and want to improve their seeding.

Sure wish my 10 yr old had a polished body of soccer work.

by go99 11/07/14, 02:11 pm

Lets just say dalglish is at number 5 in seeding. How much could they improve that by being in a seeding tournament and would it really matter in the end. Is there that much difference between say #1 seed vs #5 seed as far as difficulty of QT? Also with dalglish being a fairly consistent roster there isn't much to try and get worked in before QT. If your team has a number of new players maybe you want to get some game time in to build some chemistry but the reality is you can play every tournament from here until QT and your team won't get significantly better. The tournaments are a money grab. The top 10 teams will all be in D1 and a good number of the next 10 will also. The real work to put your team in D1 was done seasons ago not this summer. You want a sneak peek at D1 take a look at FBR. Oh and can't speak for Dalglish (premier) but yes DD's squad is locked and loaded for anything put in front of them

by GrandTXSoccer 11/07/14, 03:10 pm

I think most of these tournaments are pointless for seeding unless you are a known team trying to impress OR if your team is new and you are trying to get your name out there. Other than that there's really no point. Most of these teams could scrimmage older teams within their own clubs and get all the pre QT workout they could ever possibly need.

Every year there are teams that decide to sit out these tournaments and it has very little impact. I think BWG had examples of a couple of teams being seeded lower than his prediction but honestly though, up until now there are really no seedings to begin with so it's impossible to be seeded lower or higher because you've never been seeded before. We all have opinions as to who should be seeded where but after the first 5 or 6 it really is a crap shoot. Personally I think the FBR does a pretty good job and is equally as successful as sending folks out to watch teams. If LH's wants to save some money (and believe me they are some of the cheapest SOB's out there) they should just start using the FBR and not send anyone out to these tournaments.

by Gunner9 11/07/14, 03:54 pm

soccerpapa2 wrote:Good list.
-I understand Elite (Rase) skipping because we know where they rank, but Premier (Danglesh)? They definite needed to be play. Either extremely cocky or they have something to hide.

What's harder to understand is why anybody not on the team would care enough to post about it. The people that need to know do.

Interesting you don't mention the other 04 teams that don't appear. Maybe you're right - they all "needed to be play."

by PurplePonyPower 11/07/14, 04:20 pm

20 minute halves and paying for parking. Count me out. By the way all you newbies excited about your first Select year, LH sucks!

by soccerchicken 11/07/14, 04:32 pm

PurplePonyPower wrote:20 minute halves and paying for parking. Count me out. By the way all you newbies excited about your first Select year, LH sucks!

Both Tut and seeding tournament are 30-minute halves for '04 girls.

Quack!

by kegsmen 11/07/14, 07:20 pm

Hopefully nobody thinks LH is anything other than the monopoly that it is. If you want to play against the best you have to play in their league, no other competing league exists today. The people running it are NOT looking out for our daughters best interest, just their bottom line.

by MollyHatchet 11/07/14, 07:28 pm

kegsmen wrote:Hopefully nobody thinks LH is anything other than the monopoly that it is. If you want to play against the best you have to play in their league, no other competing league exists today. The people running it are NOT looking out for our daughters best interest, just their bottom line.

by go99 11/07/14, 07:29 pm

kegsmen wrote:Hopefully nobody thinks LH is anything other than the monopoly that it is. If you want to play against the best you have to play in their league, no other competing league exists today. The people running it are NOT looking out for our daughters best interest, just their bottom line.

Which is why CL will not mess with the seeding. The purpose of the QT is to make sure the league ends up with the best teams in it.

by soccerchicken 11/07/14, 09:06 pm

PurplePonyPower wrote:20 minute halves and paying for parking. Count me out. By the way all you newbies excited about your first Select year, LH sucks!

But yes, the only tournament we have ever been to where they charge for parking.

Quite ridiculous!

by soccer cluck 12/07/14, 12:46 am

maybe you can carpool next time and save the money on parking

aflac!

by soccerpapa2 12/07/14, 05:59 am

soccerpapa2 wrote:
“
Good list.
-I understand Elite (Rase) skipping because we know where they rank, but Premier (Danglesh)? They definite needed to be play. Either extremely cocky or they have something to hide.
”
Gunner99 wrote:
"What's harder to understand is why anybody not on the team would care enough to post about it. The people that need to know do.

Interesting you don't mention the other 04 teams that don't appear. Maybe you're right - they all "needed to be play."

@Gunner9 - The reason I only mentioned THOSE TWO TEAMS, is because they are they ONLY two teams in the Top 20 to SKIP.

by SouthlakeDad 12/07/14, 01:59 pm

Seeding tournament seems rough for several teams so far. Out of 5 games played, they've had a 10-0 blowout and two 7-0 games. And this heat...

by loyalsoccermom 12/07/14, 03:24 pm

Yes, we are one of the teams that lost 0-7. Trying to find our groove with a team that hasn't played with all their members until today. We have a few kinks. I think the next game will be a wee different. Hats off to FC Dallas Youth White. They played a solid game with great positioning. The girls talked to each other and had good field communication. Our team definitely appreciated the good competition.

by soccerjack 12/07/14, 03:33 pm

go99 wrote:Lets just say dalglish is at number 5 in seeding. How much could they improve that by being in a seeding tournament and would it really matter in the end. Is there that much difference between say #1 seed vs #5 seed as far as difficulty of QT? Also with dalglish being a fairly consistent roster there isn't much to try and get worked in before QT. If your team has a number of new players maybe you want to get some game time in to build some chemistry but the reality is you can play every tournament from here until QT and your team won't get significantly better. The tournaments are a money grab. The top 10 teams will all be in D1 and a good number of the next 10 will also. The real work to put your team in D1 was done seasons ago not this summer. You want a sneak peek at D1 take a look at FBR. Oh and can't speak for Dalglish (premier) but yes DD's squad is locked and loaded for anything put in front of them

Hmmmmm..I see, I shall alert the rest of the 10 year olds that their soccer future was decided when they were 5.

by soccerchicken 12/07/14, 04:17 pm

soccerjack wrote:
go99 wrote:Lets just say dalglish is at number 5 in seeding. How much could they improve that by being in a seeding tournament and would it really matter in the end. Is there that much difference between say #1 seed vs #5 seed as far as difficulty of QT? Also with dalglish being a fairly consistent roster there isn't much to try and get worked in before QT. If your team has a number of new players maybe you want to get some game time in to build some chemistry but the reality is you can play every tournament from here until QT and your team won't get significantly better. The tournaments are a money grab. The top 10 teams will all be in D1 and a good number of the next 10 will also. The real work to put your team in D1 was done seasons ago not this summer. You want a sneak peek at D1 take a look at FBR. Oh and can't speak for Dalglish (premier) but yes DD's squad is locked and loaded for anything put in front of them

Hmmmmm..I see, I shall alert the rest of the 10 year olds that their soccer future was decided when they were 5.

Had my selfish daughter buckled down and focused on soccer instead of dance when she was younger, I could tell my friends I/she is a lock for d-1 now. I could kick myself.

by go99 12/07/14, 05:22 pm

soccer chuck wrote:
soccerjack wrote:
go99 wrote:Lets just say dalglish is at number 5 in seeding. How much could they improve that by being in a seeding tournament and would it really matter in the end. Is there that much difference between say #1 seed vs #5 seed as far as difficulty of QT? Also with dalglish being a fairly consistent roster there isn't much to try and get worked in before QT. If your team has a number of new players maybe you want to get some game time in to build some chemistry but the reality is you can play every tournament from here until QT and your team won't get significantly better. The tournaments are a money grab. The top 10 teams will all be in D1 and a good number of the next 10 will also. The real work to put your team in D1 was done seasons ago not this summer. You want a sneak peek at D1 take a look at FBR. Oh and can't speak for Dalglish (premier) but yes DD's squad is locked and loaded for anything put in front of them

Hmmmmm..I see, I shall alert the rest of the 10 year olds that their soccer future was decided when they were 5.

Had my selfish daughter buckled down and focused on soccer instead of dance when she was younger, I could tell my friends I/she is a lock for d-1 now. I could kick myself.

It's not too late to go back to dance!!!!

by go99 12/07/14, 05:32 pm

soccerjack wrote:
go99 wrote:Lets just say dalglish is at number 5 in seeding. How much could they improve that by being in a seeding tournament and would it really matter in the end. Is there that much difference between say #1 seed vs #5 seed as far as difficulty of QT? Also with dalglish being a fairly consistent roster there isn't much to try and get worked in before QT. If your team has a number of new players maybe you want to get some game time in to build some chemistry but the reality is you can play every tournament from here until QT and your team won't get significantly better. The tournaments are a money grab. The top 10 teams will all be in D1 and a good number of the next 10 will also. The real work to put your team in D1 was done seasons ago not this summer. You want a sneak peek at D1 take a look at FBR. Oh and can't speak for Dalglish (premier) but yes DD's squad is locked and loaded for anything put in front of them

Hmmmmm..I see, I shall alert the rest of the 10 year olds that their soccer future was decided when they were 5.

surely you didn't just create a ID for that little nugget of comedy gold? And no it wasn't decided then but for some it definitely begin way back then. Some teams could use the pre QT tournaments and some really don't need to waste the money. It's really not a hard concept to grasp. Maybe if I take LP out of it it will help. LFS (defeeters) aren't going to get into D1 thru these pre qt tournaments. They didn't get good over this season. They have spent a number of years of hard work getting to where they are now and have been a top team way back to the solar days. That is what will put them in D1 not the work over the next couple of weeks. Hate to break it to you guys they will be in D1 and there is nothing teams can do over the next several weeks to change that. Now below that the waters get a little murky. I could see some pre qt work maybe making a difference there.

by soccerjack 12/07/14, 08:47 pm

Thanks for giving us hope. I was starting to get worried.

by blackcleatsoccerfan 12/07/14, 09:16 pm

I do not see how useful seating tournament is going to be. When you look at the quantity and quality of match ups it does not seem as though there will be a story there. Top teams are skating by, mediocre teams stick in the middle, the lower teams a.k.a. unknown teams are at the bottom..... What is the difference between this tournament and King tut or Puma and not doing a tournament at all?

by Guest 12/07/14, 09:27 pm

blackcleatsoccerfan wrote:I do not see how useful seating tournament is going to be. When you look at the quantity and quality of match ups it does not seem as though there will be a story there. Top teams are skating by, mediocre teams stick in the middle, the lower teams a.k.a. unknown teams are at the bottom..... What is the difference between this tournament and King tut or Puma and not doing a tournament at all?

I agree... Its about money and we all know that. All theories and motives are irrelevant if ya ask me. FBR is the crystal ball unless with a few unknown variables

by soccerchicken 12/07/14, 09:49 pm

go99 wrote:
soccer chuck wrote:
soccerjack wrote:
go99 wrote:Lets just say dalglish is at number 5 in seeding. How much could they improve that by being in a seeding tournament and would it really matter in the end. Is there that much difference between say #1 seed vs #5 seed as far as difficulty of QT? Also with dalglish being a fairly consistent roster there isn't much to try and get worked in before QT. If your team has a number of new players maybe you want to get some game time in to build some chemistry but the reality is you can play every tournament from here until QT and your team won't get significantly better. The tournaments are a money grab. The top 10 teams will all be in D1 and a good number of the next 10 will also. The real work to put your team in D1 was done seasons ago not this summer. You want a sneak peek at D1 take a look at FBR. Oh and can't speak for Dalglish (premier) but yes DD's squad is locked and loaded for anything put in front of them

Ohh Yeah! Well when my daughters team "The fighting unicorns" gets into d-1 and kicks your dds teams butt, we will see who's talking smack then. Everyone will know that we...I mean she is on the best 10 yr old girl team in the world and then...and then you will know....wait a minute, you drew me in didn't you. Dangit! You better sleep with an eye open because there is a unicorn horn looking for your butt!

Hmmmmm..I see, I shall alert the rest of the 10 year olds that their soccer future was decided when they were 5.

Had my selfish daughter buckled down and focused on soccer instead of dance when she was younger, I could tell my friends I/she is a lock for d-1 now. I could kick myself.

It's not too late to go back to dance!!!!

by dadof3 12/07/14, 10:28 pm

After seeing this a few years, I think the overall goal of the warm up tournaments is twofold. It is to make sure teams are what they are (deserve their rank). With academy soccer, you can make a 30th or 40th ranked team look better w guests in tournaments and borrow players in leagues. Once those kids are frozen on a roster, sometimes the team can't support it's own hype. This tournament time will expose some teams that have relied on talent from elsewhere. The tournaments also allow teams a final tune up before the QT. The truth is that the top 7-8 should walk through the QT with little problem. When they play the next seed, the 8, 9, 10s will have to play well to win...and if they do, they are in...or for the most part, get captured second weekend.

If you are a top seed that gets beat by a 35 or something...then that team probably caught their lightning and you have some flaws that need attention.

One note, don't worry too much if you don't qualify where you think you should. It tends to shake out over time and your experience will be much ore enjoyable if you play teams of your approximate level consistently rather than getting blown out weekly and trying to create chicken salad...well, you get the picture. Be careful what you wish for, playing top competition is great, but getting your butt handed to you weekly at 11 is not fun and actually pushes some girls out of soccer.

QT shows where you stand...the brackets are sometimes a LITTLE off, but generally the best teams advance (historically 85% or so), and the 15% are either flawed or got a really killer bracket if they are truly top 20...the 21-40 can usually play tight games with each other anyway...and if it isn't your weekend, it sucks, but the seasoning you get is valuable, and it is all a learning experience for the girls.

You don't back in, and you don't "deserve" it...you earn it. If you wind up in PPL, it isn't the end if the world. The top teams there are hungry and similar. They have some excellent players that will challenge your defense, and they don't like to let you score either. were all a goal or a bad weekend away, so that road is tough too...

Just my opinion. As you were

by textigerfan 13/07/14, 07:36 am

Well said Dad. The first year is really tough for some that make the 20 team D1. Those 15-20 really have long years and get their head handed to them frequently. D3 the first year is probably the most evenly talented level. There are always good teams in PPL and Arlington. Some good teams choose not to go to LH QT for various reasons as well.

by KnKsDad 13/07/14, 12:01 pm

go99 wrote:I would go for that. Seed RASE wherever they like. Doesn't really matter who we send into the second weekend. An even crazier idea might be someone convince the top 10 teams to make their own league. LHGCL only matters because it has all of the top teams. Mess with the seeding and take that away and its just an overpriced league with bad officiating, fields, and customer service.

An alternative league consisting of top ranked teams is not a crazy idea, one that is based on the merit of the individual team, not political B.S. It would take someone with the time and pockets to set it up.

by KnKsDad 13/07/14, 12:48 pm

Used2bKix wrote:
go99 wrote:the various seeding tournaments are for teams looking to put a little polish on their play or teams that lack the body of work and want to improve their seeding.

You almost typed that with what seems like conviction...but if that was the case for sure we know damn well Dalglish needs to be in one...

It could very well be tradition or taking the opportunity to actually "play" before the league starts...as a "select" squad.

But of course your DD's squad is the only one locked loaded and ready to aim at any target, no need for any polish tho right?

I'm just being "stirrish"Go...don't mind me lol...

and Go, what body of work are we talking about? With all the supposed player movement and possible dilution of talent through the creation of some high profile new teams, does any team really have an established body of work post 7/1? Rhetorical question. So Kix, I agree with you and others with respect to Dalglish skipping out based on a supposed #5 FBR ranking. They may very well be that good, but how many top 10 FBR ranked teams have they even played since 5/1? Yet they should be bequeathed (sp?) a top seed in QT? At least RASE played in a recent high level 04 tournament. If body of work is the frame of reference, then it should be as recent as possible, and how more recent could it get than Tut.

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